The crash of Air France flight 447 (2021)

Post by TillE » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 4:09 PM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #2

It's kind of amazing how many of these accidents can come down to the pilots forgetting the most basic things. In this case, ultimately, the pilot and the co-pilot were exerting opposite controls. One to pull up, one to push the nose down. In a stall you push the nose down to gain aerodynamic lift. That's like Flying 101. But I guess when you panic, the natural instinct of wanting to pull up kicks in when you're rapi…

Post by ceejayoz » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 4:11 PM UTC

netsharc wrote: post #14

boredemployee wrote: post #8

I hate me for watching the news about it on that time. That's the flight that seeing all the details about on television gave me the fear of flying that I have these days, specially when above the ocean. I just can't overcome this.

I suppose you've heard it all, like the fact that there are more than 10000 planes currently in the air and we haven't heard about a plane crash for weeks now. If you go to https://globe.adsbexchange.com and zoom out you can see all the planes around the world, flying safely. I suppose the only way through the fear is to fly and realize at the end that you're fine (although obviously IANAP)

Post by molenzwiebel » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 4:12 PM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #23

boredemployee wrote: post #8

I hate me for watching the news about it on that time. That's the flight that seeing all the details about on television gave me the fear of flying that I have these days, specially when above the ocean. I just can't overcome this.

The real scare accident for me is the Helios flight 552: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522 Due to maintenance error, everyone in the plane including the crew black out of hypoxia and crash on the land. There are horrific pictures from the site. What made me not being afraid of flying was to get familiar with the technicalities of the flights, it's less scary the more you understand it.

Post by bombcar » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 4:13 PM UTC

roywiggins wrote: post #28

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #16

> A brief interruption to their airspeed indications, lasting less than a minute, had thrown two trained Air France pilots into a state of paralyzed agitation. I'm generally suspicious of technical solutions to human-factors problems. But I can't help wondering if some combination of voice stress analysis and measuring pilot coordination might be able to produce a warning that would have prompted the flight crew to s…

> But I can't help wondering if some combination of voice stress analysis and measuring pilot coordination might be able to produce a warning that would have prompted the flight crew to see that they had stopped flying in an orderly way. I guess I don't know what you could do with that, flashing another alarm at an already overstressed flight crew seems like it's unlikely to help?

Post by andyjohnson0 » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 4:13 PM UTC

roywiggins wrote: post #28

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #16

> A brief interruption to their airspeed indications, lasting less than a minute, had thrown two trained Air France pilots into a state of paralyzed agitation. I'm generally suspicious of technical solutions to human-factors problems. But I can't help wondering if some combination of voice stress analysis and measuring pilot coordination might be able to produce a warning that would have prompted the flight crew to s…

> But I can't help wondering if some combination of voice stress analysis and measuring pilot coordination might be able to produce a warning that would have prompted the flight crew to see that they had stopped flying in an orderly way. I guess I don't know what you could do with that, flashing another alarm at an already overstressed flight crew seems like it's unlikely to help?