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Guam: The America that Americans forget

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Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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Post by messe »

triceratops wrote: post #30
wayne wrote: post #25

The article touches a little on flight costs, but as someone who'd love to visit sometime and never has, it annoys me how flights to Guam work. Given its location most airlines don't fly direct from the mainland, so many flights to Guam are from Asia. But, you can't buy a ticket from the US with a layover in Japan from JAL or with a layover in Korea from Korean Air because any flight with a US origin to a US destinat…

Can't you buy 2 separate tickets?

The issue then is if you have checked luggage.

Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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Post by sreejithr »

jakear wrote: post #28
sreejithr wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh so since we’ve screwed natives before, it’s fine to do it again to islanders? We shouldn’t ask these questions because we’ve done worse anyway?

Talk when you've given your house back to whatever native people were there before you. Or should you give it to the "native" people that were there before them? Or the ones before those ones? Or maybe just accept that the one constant of life is everyone takes everyone else's shit if/when they can/want.

> Or maybe just accept that the one constant of life is everyone takes everyone else's shit if and when they can and want.

Sure. But if this is normal, why is it so hard to accept what Russia is doing to Ukraine?

Just because evils were done in the past, doesn’t mean we should just accept it as universal truths and continue doing the same things to others (islanders).

If you accept that Russia is wrong, then invading natives was wrong and taking land from islanders *IS* wrong.

Disagree?

Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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Post by calgarymicro »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #27

Forgetting what is America is one of the reasons Americans lost the Philippines as a territory.

Did they ever want to keep it? It was my understanding that, as with Mexico following the Mexican American War, many in the US didn't want permanent integration due to racial sentiments; the thought of giving tens of millions of Filipinos US citizenship horrified them.

Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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Post by whalesalad »

wayne wrote: post #25

The article touches a little on flight costs, but as someone who'd love to visit sometime and never has, it annoys me how flights to Guam work. Given its location most airlines don't fly direct from the mainland, so many flights to Guam are from Asia. But, you can't buy a ticket from the US with a layover in Japan from JAL or with a layover in Korea from Korean Air because any flight with a US origin to a US destinat…

United goes direct from Honolulu

Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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Post by throwawaaarrgh »

wayne wrote: post #25

The article touches a little on flight costs, but as someone who'd love to visit sometime and never has, it annoys me how flights to Guam work. Given its location most airlines don't fly direct from the mainland, so many flights to Guam are from Asia. But, you can't buy a ticket from the US with a layover in Japan from JAL or with a layover in Korea from Korean Air because any flight with a US origin to a US destinat…

Dude. Just buy two separate round trip tickets.

Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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Post by bagels »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #21
mc32 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dollar became the world currency by accident after the OPEC started pricing petroleum in dollars. We're starting to see a slow departure from that. If we did not spend those extra tens of billions per year in projecting power, we could better serve our students, workers, retirees, infrastructure, etc. Instead, they go to ensuring Japan, Korea, Philippines, etc. don't have to spend so much on defense. As China asc…

> I'd be happy [if China] were the ones keeping shipping lanes for their own exports open and not us History's not on your side for that one. You're talking about the country that, plagued by pirates disturbing its coastal shipping, went to massive expense to construct an enormous system of inland canals running parallel to the coast that the pirates couldn't reach. If Chinese merchants wanted the sea kept clear, say…

Do you think that it is possible that in the last 400 years that the strategy might change in how to deal with piracy?

Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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Post by throw47474777j »

sreejithr wrote: post #32
jakear wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talk when you've given your house back to whatever native people were there before you. Or should you give it to the "native" people that were there before them? Or the ones before those ones? Or maybe just accept that the one constant of life is everyone takes everyone else's shit if/when they can/want.

> Or maybe just accept that the one constant of life is everyone takes everyone else's shit if and when they can and want. Sure. But if this is normal, why is it so hard to accept what Russia is doing to Ukraine? Just because evils were done in the past, doesn’t mean we should just accept it as universal truths and continue doing the same things to others (islanders). If you accept that Russia is wrong, then invading…

Are you saying the natives didn’t fight back?

Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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Post by throwawaaarrgh »

messe wrote: post #31
triceratops wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't you buy 2 separate tickets?

The issue then is if you have checked luggage.

So get your luggage? Deboarding, going through immigration, getting luggage, and going through customs takes no more than 45 minutes at Narita. Give yourself a 2 hour layover to be safe.

Or pack like Rick Steves and just bring a backpack with the essentials.

Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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Post by [deleted] »

sreejithr wrote: post #32
jakear wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talk when you've given your house back to whatever native people were there before you. Or should you give it to the "native" people that were there before them? Or the ones before those ones? Or maybe just accept that the one constant of life is everyone takes everyone else's shit if/when they can/want.

> Or maybe just accept that the one constant of life is everyone takes everyone else's shit if and when they can and want. Sure. But if this is normal, why is it so hard to accept what Russia is doing to Ukraine? Just because evils were done in the past, doesn’t mean we should just accept it as universal truths and continue doing the same things to others (islanders). If you accept that Russia is wrong, then invading…

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