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Moog sells its business to InMusic

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Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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Never owned one of their synths, but I have one of their expression pedals and I love it. It's also built like a tank, real quality. Hope that does not go away with the sale.

I like their expression pedals. Simple and functional. No power cord. Not unreasonably expensive.

Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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> Does the market tend to find "inefficient" areas and someone comes in and "maximize efficiency"? I think Behringer is trying to vacuum all revenue in that space... Yes. Behringer, from the start, was always about copying other brands and offer products to a larger audience through low prices. They used to do so with results of questionable quality... but not anymore. Their output in the synthesizers department has…

> a Moog rip-off moog is selling very generic circuits, there's no intellectual property at stake, so rip off is I think is quite an exaggeration. The original moog pioneered the space, in less than two decades lost popularity in the face of newer ideas from competitors, and sold out to a big company that milked the brand name for awhile and also wanted to shut it down. The original founder got the rights back and ba…

> laying out the knobs in similar order? I mean, it's File-Edit-View and Cut-Copy-Paste, and laid out like the 6 strings of a guitar...

This is a bit condescending. There’s much more nuance, variation, experimentation in synthesizer interfaces then what your comment suggests.

Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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> inMusic isn't free from controversy. Formed in 2012 by Jack O'Donnell, a former vice-president at DJ equipment brand Stanton > Roger Linn, who made many ground-breaking drum machines in the '80s before creating the MPC 60 for Akai, has accused O'Donnell of failing to pay him royalties after acquiring Akai, repeatedly calling him unscrupulous and a "bastard" in interviews. Is it absolutely necessary to fuck people o…

Couple of relevant PG essays: http://www.paulgraham.com/mean.html http://www.paulgraham.com/safe.html

Is that his essay that talks about how lisp knowledge can save future 9/11 attacks from happening?

That’s a favorite of mine. Written right after the attacks. But I wonder why he delisted it while still hosting the essay to make it hard to find but still accessible

Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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Never owned one of their synths, but I have one of their expression pedals and I love it. It's also built like a tank, real quality. Hope that does not go away with the sale.

I like their expression pedals. Simple and functional. No power cord. Not unreasonably expensive.

I’ve never seen an expression pedal or any other keyboard pedal with a power cord.

Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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Behringer did release their own "Neutron" (and soon "Proton"), but I generally agree with your points. Also they've cloned Moog gear that's <10 years old.

I can blindly distinguish Moog from Behringer with compressed youtube audio and I don't even have good ears (at least for one instrument I did that experiment on). It's just a signal, I'm sure it can be copied perfectly but Moog still seems to be doing wrooms like no other.

Pretty sure they managed to clone Model D really well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYxc8R_Qys0

Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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It’s sad how the entire music industry of actual innovators gets scooped up by conglomerates like InMusic. What is worse, however, is the blatant rip-off business plan of Behringer. They went so far as to buy the chip company CoolAudio to build clones of the Curtis CEM3340 oscillator chip featured in all these 80’s polysynths. Wanna know why Behringers product line exclusively features other peoples designs that have…

It's sad how some people think companies should have perpetual monopolies on things that were patented 50+ years ago.

Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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It’s sad how the entire music industry of actual innovators gets scooped up by conglomerates like InMusic. What is worse, however, is the blatant rip-off business plan of Behringer. They went so far as to buy the chip company CoolAudio to build clones of the Curtis CEM3340 oscillator chip featured in all these 80’s polysynths. Wanna know why Behringers product line exclusively features other peoples designs that have…

You're using as an example of bad behavior one of the best examples of something good that Behringer has done. Those chips should be cloned, and now there are, I believe, at least three manufacturers of 3340 oscillator chips: CEM, Coolaudio, and Alfa. It's a very popular VCO chip in a number of eurorack modules, and has better tracking of volt-per-octave than any other analog VCO type I've used by far.

Also, not very long ago those chips had been out of production. I believe CEM re-released their 3340 in 2016. I'm not sure if Coolaudio beat them to it, but anyways there was a long period where the only way to get new batches of the chip would have been to clone it.

There are a lot of examples of legitimately bad behavior from Behringer as well.

Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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> inMusic isn't free from controversy. Formed in 2012 by Jack O'Donnell, a former vice-president at DJ equipment brand Stanton > Roger Linn, who made many ground-breaking drum machines in the '80s before creating the MPC 60 for Akai, has accused O'Donnell of failing to pay him royalties after acquiring Akai, repeatedly calling him unscrupulous and a "bastard" in interviews. Is it absolutely necessary to fuck people o…

Whether or not it's necessary, it's common in the music production business. There are several egregious examples, Gibson Guitar being perhaps the best known.

My opinion of Gibson was permanently formed when they bought Opcode and its brilliant Vision software (tens of thousands of customers) then just made sure that it died.

Re: Moog sells its business to InMusic

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Never owned one of their synths, but I have one of their expression pedals and I love it. It's also built like a tank, real quality. Hope that does not go away with the sale.

I've got a Matriarch and it's a wonderful piece of equipment. I hope they keep things as they are.
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