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Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

#31

Post by lrvick »

Dalewyn wrote: post #20
kossTKR wrote: post #13

I can't really grasp how enormous this project is. 5000 patents filed from Apple is crazy, and looking at the thing with all of these new both pieces of hardware and concepts, wow. How many people have been working on this, and for how long? The other threads here seems to have missed just how "huge" a projects this is. Is this also the lead up to the Apple car, or some other ecosystem?

>The other threads here seems to have missed just how "huge" a projects this is. The other threads are busy jumping on the Hate Apple bandwagon, is what it is. I have my own criticism of Apple's VR goggle, specifically that its form factor (albeit necessitated by today's technologies) drags the whole thing down in both the luxury/fashion and usage factors. But if I put that aside, the technology and innovative though…

Most of us Apple Haters are not opposed to this type of technology existing. We are opposed to technology with this much potential for abuse being solely controlled by a profit maximizing patent troll.

When the tech is open source and I can control what it does, then sign me up.

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by rickdeckard »

kossTKR wrote: post #13

I can't really grasp how enormous this project is. 5000 patents filed from Apple is crazy, and looking at the thing with all of these new both pieces of hardware and concepts, wow. How many people have been working on this, and for how long? The other threads here seems to have missed just how "huge" a projects this is. Is this also the lead up to the Apple car, or some other ecosystem?

If you're a billion dollar company, you invest alot in multiple trajectories of the possible future, because you don't want to end up not being ready when the market shifts (like Nokia for example) and being forced to pay royalty to your competitors just to stay in the market.

Now imagine you're a trillion dollar company.

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by theshrike79 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #20
kossTKR wrote: post #13

I can't really grasp how enormous this project is. 5000 patents filed from Apple is crazy, and looking at the thing with all of these new both pieces of hardware and concepts, wow. How many people have been working on this, and for how long? The other threads here seems to have missed just how "huge" a projects this is. Is this also the lead up to the Apple car, or some other ecosystem?

>The other threads here seems to have missed just how "huge" a projects this is. The other threads are busy jumping on the Hate Apple bandwagon, is what it is. I have my own criticism of Apple's VR goggle, specifically that its form factor (albeit necessitated by today's technologies) drags the whole thing down in both the luxury/fashion and usage factors. But if I put that aside, the technology and innovative though…

My theory (and many others') is that the high price tag is a feature and on purpose.

Enough companies have tried the cheapo approach and failed. Even mid-price ones are still niche devices.

Apple went full-on to Varjo[0]-levels of tech inside the headset. Now developers have 6-9 months to bring their A game.

Then Apple can see what kind of applications and use-cases stick and start figuring out what parts of the Vision Pro they can downgrade or leave out to make a Vision Regular, which will come out in 2-4 years along with Vision Pro 2.

[0] https://varjo.com

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by rickdeckard »

Dalewyn wrote: post #20
kossTKR wrote: post #13

I can't really grasp how enormous this project is. 5000 patents filed from Apple is crazy, and looking at the thing with all of these new both pieces of hardware and concepts, wow. How many people have been working on this, and for how long? The other threads here seems to have missed just how "huge" a projects this is. Is this also the lead up to the Apple car, or some other ecosystem?

>The other threads here seems to have missed just how "huge" a projects this is. The other threads are busy jumping on the Hate Apple bandwagon, is what it is. I have my own criticism of Apple's VR goggle, specifically that its form factor (albeit necessitated by today's technologies) drags the whole thing down in both the luxury/fashion and usage factors. But if I put that aside, the technology and innovative though…

> I wish Apple success here, because the VR industry needs someone to come in and kickstart it back to something interesting and worthy of attention.

XR has the potential to be the next general computing platform after the PC and the Smartphone.

This might be controversial, but I believe what the VR industry would need most is for the giants to agree that collaboration for a wide open ecosystem yields the best result for everyone.

Unfortunately we may have another company here which is not interested in such a direction at all. What we get instead is the biggest giant of them all forcing through it alone with yet-another closed ecosystem in expectation of taking full domination of the market and all its innovation. But this time it's the player with the highest chances of success.

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by theshrike79 »

lrvick wrote: post #31
Dalewyn wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The other threads here seems to have missed just how "huge" a projects this is. The other threads are busy jumping on the Hate Apple bandwagon, is what it is. I have my own criticism of Apple's VR goggle, specifically that its form factor (albeit necessitated by today's technologies) drags the whole thing down in both the luxury/fashion and usage factors. But if I put that aside, the technology and innovative though…

Most of us Apple Haters are not opposed to this type of technology existing. We are opposed to technology with this much potential for abuse being solely controlled by a profit maximizing patent troll. When the tech is open source and I can control what it does, then sign me up.

Apple has always maximised profits on selling hardware and getting a cut from software.

They've never gotten any profits from selling targeted user data. Mobile gaming marketing units are _still_ butt-hurt about Apple's randomised user/device IDs that prevent them from tracking where users came from and downloaded their game.

FB and Android tracking still works perfectly, but those users are less valuable because they don't spend money.

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by renegat0x0 »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #6
stby wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This quickly becomes creepy beyond my wildest imaginations. Kill it with fire, please.

Why? The more personal a device is and the closer it becomes to interfacing with who we are, the more it will need to do things like this to work, else it will just feel off.

in 2013 Edward showed that data are used by governments. We do not see it right now, but it does not mean it does not happen. Actually I think we do not see the scale of it, because most of us are not doing anything incorrect. It is only important for our politicians. Everybody is under surveillance. It is just we do not know the effects of it.

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by viraptor »

makeitdouble wrote: post #8
kasperni wrote: post #2

> So, a user is in a mixed reality or virtual reality experience, and AI models are trying to predict if you are feeling curious, mind wandering, scared, paying attention, remembering a past experience, or some other cognitive state. And these may be inferred through measurements like eye tracking, electrical activity in the brain, heart beats and rhythms, muscle activity, blood density in the brain, blood pressure,…

> I don't really know how I feel about this... But the headset of course does ! Otherwise, it could be interesting if as users we got access to all these measurements, for our personal use. That could open the door to many other applications that would be probably less creepy.

> could be interesting if as users we got access to all these measurements

You can! It's not trivial, but not very hard either.

eye tracking - OS projects getting this from a laptop camera exist and work well enough for assistive tech (i.e. it can replace your mouse today)

electrical activity in the brain - there are fancy things like https://zeto-inc.com/device/ but there are basic options as well

heart beats and rhythms, muscle activity, blood pressure, skin conductance - there's lots of cheap sensors for those

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by throwaway290 »

adinisom wrote: post #23
seydor wrote: post #14

I know we all hate each other but is this like a good direction for the future? Directing all our emotions to silicon chips? Maybe there is other things we should be building. Emotion recognition is an old field but (apart from autism research) the only application i can think of is emotion manipulation. How does one wake up in the morning and decide to work on consumer emotion recognition

Perhaps rubber hose resistance: "I'm sorry Seydor, it appears you're being coerced to unlock this data."

Which is especially fun if Seydor weren't coerced and does not truly help solve the rubber hose factor... Once rubber hose is in play this only means more suffering

Re: Apple Vision predictive bio-feedback

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Post by seydor »

adinisom wrote: post #23
seydor wrote: post #14

I know we all hate each other but is this like a good direction for the future? Directing all our emotions to silicon chips? Maybe there is other things we should be building. Emotion recognition is an old field but (apart from autism research) the only application i can think of is emotion manipulation. How does one wake up in the morning and decide to work on consumer emotion recognition

Perhaps rubber hose resistance: "I'm sorry Seydor, it appears you're being coerced to unlock this data."

Siri, i want to sin
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