What about the countries buying up Russian gas an reselling it to EU countries? Did they stop that or have those countries just gotten smarter in hiding the origins of the gas?
EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
31–40 of 204 posts
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#32EU traded off massive inflation for independence from Russian fossil fuels. A victory for politicians, not so much for the Otto Normalverbraucher.
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#33EU continues to important Russian oil, it has just been refined and rebadged by India, Saudi Arabia, China and others, so that a statement like this could be made. EU is basically paying a premium in order to stake a claim to moral high ground they don't hold
>"EU is basically paying a premium in order to stake a claim to moral high ground they don't hold" They may or may not be paying a premium, but it has nothing to do with "moral high ground". Its to do with not giving the regional agressor leverage over your economy. The war between Russia and Ukraine exists in the military domain, the war between Europe and Russia is currently in the economic domain. Even if sanction…
This mainly applied to gas and not oil though. The point of the sanctions is to primarily decreases Russia’s oil revenue.
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
So do you suggest throwing Ukraine under the bus for cheap energy?
Let's rephrase "throwing Ukraine under a bus" as "not getting involved in a border dispute between two Eastern European countries", and maybe the answer is less obvious.
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#35EU traded off massive inflation for independence from Russian fossil fuels. A victory for politicians, not so much for the Otto Normalverbraucher.
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
So do you suggest throwing Ukraine under the bus for cheap energy?
Let's rephrase "throwing Ukraine under a bus" as "not getting involved in a border dispute between two Eastern European countries", and maybe the answer is less obvious.
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#37What about the countries buying up Russian gas an reselling it to EU countries? Did they stop that or have those countries just gotten smarter in hiding the origins of the gas?
EU never put any sanctions against Russian gas. The only reason why EU stopped buying it is because of Putin genious attempt to freeze EU by blocking gas exports.
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#38EU traded off massive inflation for independence from Russian fossil fuels. A victory for politicians, not so much for the Otto Normalverbraucher.
Not being dependent from terrorist state for basic necessities like fuel is worth it.
But since saudis are "besties" with the US establishment, this is a-ok!
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's rephrase "throwing Ukraine under a bus" as "not getting involved in a border dispute between two Eastern European countries", and maybe the answer is less obvious.
Border dispute? They invaded the country, surrounded the capital and shelled the shit out of it.
Nato bombed yugoslavia for months for the same thing, and they still act as a defensive organization.
Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels
#40If we could just convince India to boycott Russian Oil as well, the regime would crumble, no ? https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65553920
Since February 2022 India imported products from Russia for $50+ billion - mostly oil.
At the same time India export to Russian is 10 time smaller so there is massive trade difficit of $40+ billions.
[0] https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-russia-address-tra...
[1] Official Kremlin source in Russian: https://ria.ru/20230311/indiya-1857181972.html