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EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

#31

What about the countries buying up Russian gas an reselling it to EU countries? Did they stop that or have those countries just gotten smarter in hiding the origins of the gas?

It's not intended. In current situation more money go to middleman compared to ru, because rubis forced to sell at discount with fewer clients, so generally situation is the same but profit margins are bigger for middleman compared to ru

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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post #2

EU traded off massive inflation for independence from Russian fossil fuels. A victory for politicians, not so much for the Otto Normalverbraucher.

As an armchair fan of the German language, I appreciate you teaching me the phrase “ Otto Normalverbraucher”, it’s delightful.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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EU continues to important Russian oil, it has just been refined and rebadged by India, Saudi Arabia, China and others, so that a statement like this could be made. EU is basically paying a premium in order to stake a claim to moral high ground they don't hold

>"EU is basically paying a premium in order to stake a claim to moral high ground they don't hold" They may or may not be paying a premium, but it has nothing to do with "moral high ground". Its to do with not giving the regional agressor leverage over your economy. The war between Russia and Ukraine exists in the military domain, the war between Europe and Russia is currently in the economic domain. Even if sanction…

> it prevents Russia from having direct control on energy supplies in Europe, which improves Europe's (

This mainly applied to gas and not oil though. The point of the sanctions is to primarily decreases Russia’s oil revenue.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

#34
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So do you suggest throwing Ukraine under the bus for cheap energy?

Let's rephrase "throwing Ukraine under a bus" as "not getting involved in a border dispute between two Eastern European countries", and maybe the answer is less obvious.

Border dispute? They invaded the country, surrounded the capital and shelled the shit out of it.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So do you suggest throwing Ukraine under the bus for cheap energy?

Let's rephrase "throwing Ukraine under a bus" as "not getting involved in a border dispute between two Eastern European countries", and maybe the answer is less obvious.

So now it's called a "border dispute" and no longer a "special military operation"? /s

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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post #27

What about the countries buying up Russian gas an reselling it to EU countries? Did they stop that or have those countries just gotten smarter in hiding the origins of the gas?

EU never put any sanctions against Russian gas. The only reason why EU stopped buying it is because of Putin genious attempt to freeze EU by blocking gas exports.

On 3 December 2022, the Council adopted Decision (CFSP) 2022/2369 , which established the price cap for crude oil at $60 per barrel.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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post #2

EU traded off massive inflation for independence from Russian fossil fuels. A victory for politicians, not so much for the Otto Normalverbraucher.

Not being dependent from terrorist state for basic necessities like fuel is worth it.

That's why we buy it from countries like saudi arabia, like the guys who had issues flying those planes in 2001.

But since saudis are "besties" with the US establishment, this is a-ok!

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's rephrase "throwing Ukraine under a bus" as "not getting involved in a border dispute between two Eastern European countries", and maybe the answer is less obvious.

Border dispute? They invaded the country, surrounded the capital and shelled the shit out of it.

Yes, because they shelled the minority who wanted independence since 2014.

Nato bombed yugoslavia for months for the same thing, and they still act as a defensive organization.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

#40

If we could just convince India to boycott Russian Oil as well, the regime would crumble, no ? https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65553920

It's actually much better already. Russia is currently getting paid for good part of oil and other natural resources in Indian rupees that are completely useless for Russia.

Since February 2022 India imported products from Russia for $50+ billion - mostly oil.

At the same time India export to Russian is 10 time smaller so there is massive trade difficit of $40+ billions.

[0] https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-russia-address-tra...

[1] Official Kremlin source in Russian: https://ria.ru/20230311/indiya-1857181972.html

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