Altman seems inexperienced for this type of role. I guess he didn't really expect OpenAI to be the leader of the AI race. Hopefully strong competition comes along soon.
Strong competition means FAANG wins.
OpenAI CEO's threat to quit EU draws lawmaker backlash
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Re: OpenAI CEO's threat to quit EU draws lawmaker backlash
#32Altman seems inexperienced for this type of role. I guess he didn't really expect OpenAI to be the leader of the AI race. Hopefully strong competition comes along soon.
Do you understand that NN is not like rows in database. The machine can't unlearn what it has learned. You can't make AI unlearn something. They are going to ingest large amounts of data and trying to stop it is going to be nothing more but layering endless filter in front of it. Unfortunately or fortunately, it can be prompt broken. So if they try to abide and still fail, they will be fined enormously. See Meta & Google for example. This is about leverage. OpenAI has leverage and I'm happy to see a leader have balls. Let EU go back into the stone age if that's their wish.
Re: OpenAI CEO's threat to quit EU draws lawmaker backlash
#33Sounds like his talking backfired. "We need to regulate AI! No, not that much!" There's no way OpenAI will quit EU and leave it for competitors to take, easy bluff to call. The whole thing makes it seem like the desire for AI-related regulation isn't ethics motivated and is instead only trying to make it harder for competition to start.
If EU rules are too draconian, neither OpenAI nor their competitors has anything to gain from the EU. The only bluff to call would be if OpenAI were pretending they're too draconian when they're really not. I'll believe that bluff when EU compliant competitors popup who are on par with openAI. Thus far it hasn't happened.
Re: OpenAI CEO's threat to quit EU draws lawmaker backlash
#34Altman seems inexperienced for this type of role. I guess he didn't really expect OpenAI to be the leader of the AI race. Hopefully strong competition comes along soon.
Do you understand that NN is not like rows in database. The machine can't unlearn what it has learned. You can't make AI unlearn something. They are going to ingest large amounts of data and trying to stop it is going to be nothing more but layering endless filter in front of it. Unfortunately or fortunately, it can be prompt broken. So if they try to abide and still fail, they will be fined enormously. See Meta & Go…
So lets just change laws to accommodate an unethical data model from a corporation pushing techno feudalism?
Re: OpenAI CEO's threat to quit EU draws lawmaker backlash
#35Altman seems inexperienced for this type of role. I guess he didn't really expect OpenAI to be the leader of the AI race. Hopefully strong competition comes along soon.
Do you understand that NN is not like rows in database. The machine can't unlearn what it has learned. You can't make AI unlearn something. They are going to ingest large amounts of data and trying to stop it is going to be nothing more but layering endless filter in front of it. Unfortunately or fortunately, it can be prompt broken. So if they try to abide and still fail, they will be fined enormously. See Meta & Go…
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Re: OpenAI CEO's threat to quit EU draws lawmaker backlash
#36Sounds like his talking backfired. "We need to regulate AI! No, not that much!" There's no way OpenAI will quit EU and leave it for competitors to take, easy bluff to call. The whole thing makes it seem like the desire for AI-related regulation isn't ethics motivated and is instead only trying to make it harder for competition to start.
In EU it's not possible to develop a viable competitor due to overregulation. Where's EU's Google? Where's EU's Starlink? Where's EU's Microsoft? Where's EU's Samsung?
Some would view the development of megacorps and monopolies a negative, rather than a positive...
Re: OpenAI CEO's threat to quit EU draws lawmaker backlash
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
These models are useful enough that people are fine accessing them through VPNs. It doesn’t seem like a big deal to geoblock the EU.
The problem is when third-party (to OpenAI, and I include Microsoft here, for the purposes if this comment) companies try to build on top of this product - they will not be able to launch products on top of it in the EU either (unless they do a weird user-initiated transfer of data to the US, process it, and return the result. Even then, the EU has been experimenting with trying to claim sovereignty over income from…
All I want is for the US to vassalize EU, not because I'm against the EU (I am), but because it'll be funny. If by economic growth rates from 2000 onwards, I think that could be achievable a few decades after I'm dead.
I wonder if anyone would like to make a long term bet with me
Re: OpenAI CEO's threat to quit EU draws lawmaker backlash
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
In EU it's not possible to develop a viable competitor due to overregulation. Where's EU's Google? Where's EU's Starlink? Where's EU's Microsoft? Where's EU's Samsung?
Some would view the development of megacorps and monopolies a negative, rather than a positive...
For those, a world without a desktop computer, smartphone, Starlink constellation and internet search is better. The downvoting illustrates that it's a prevailing viewpoint on HN now, indeed.
"What the honorable member is saying is that he would rather that the poor were poorer, provided that the rich were less rich" - Margaret Thatcher
Re: OpenAI CEO's threat to quit EU draws lawmaker backlash
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
In both directions
I'm perfectly fine with that. It's not as if OpenAI is going to be the sole supplier even if they have a head start today.
Currently they're the sole supplier of GPT-4 quality models, and the only competitors on the horizon are also US startups to whom the same regulations would apply. It's perfectly possible that given a choice between spending mental bandwidth on competing with OpenAI in the USA or dicking around with trying to please un-pleasable Eurocrats, they'll all decide to punt the EU to later.
I've been warning about this on various places on the net since the start of GDPR. It's never been a popular message, but the idea you can just repeatedly and indefinitely levy huge fines on US corps without eventual blowback was never sensible. Whilst the class of the 2000-2010 era, the Googles and Facebooks, might not leave due to large employee bases there, the class of the 2020s are a different matter entirely. It's not even just about access: do you think OpenAI will be in any hurry to hire people in any EU country now?
I just hope if/when that happens they remember that not every country in Europe is in the EU. Hopefully the UK, Switzerland, Norway etc are kept properly separated.