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To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

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Re: To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

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Post by AlecSchueler »

t344344 wrote: post #13
Brigand wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s the data that shows the situation for women is less clear. This is good advice: when getting vaccinated make sure to get a good night sleep. Why the outrage?

Did you read the paragraph about women? It says there was too much noise in data, they could not measure positive effect of sleep! What conclusions medical professional would derive from that? Secondly I really do not like the overall tone of the article.

This is a constant problem in studying the effects of medicine. For years we've simply ignored women's bodies (default man) in many studies but we're increasingly seeing reasons why that's not such a good idea.

Really recommend the book Invisible Women by Caroline Criado Perez to anyone interested in this and the problems that stem from it for women.

Re: To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

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Post by azalemeth »

aww_dang wrote: post #29
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, hormone replacement therapies in women? I don’t understand this one. If we are referring to transgender women, I think they’re like less than 1% of the population or something so it doesn’t make sense to rule out all women for an outlier. If we are referring to menopausal women, I don’t believe hormone replacement for menopause is very popular (I heard it causes health problems??). Also don’t men also get hormo…

Perhaps it was a reference to birth control.

The menopause or perimenopausal period, more like.

Re: To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

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Post by AlecSchueler »

aww_dang wrote: post #29
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, hormone replacement therapies in women? I don’t understand this one. If we are referring to transgender women, I think they’re like less than 1% of the population or something so it doesn’t make sense to rule out all women for an outlier. If we are referring to menopausal women, I don’t believe hormone replacement for menopause is very popular (I heard it causes health problems??). Also don’t men also get hormo…

Perhaps it was a reference to birth control.

Sometimes it's frightening to see what a male centric community HN is but this is hilarious.

Re: To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

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Post by sandworm101 »

t344344 wrote: post #7

Maybe they should also exercise, eat healthy, not be obese, avoid stress... All of that may boost vaccine effect! That does not apply to women, because they are gorgeous, and we should not tell them what to do. What a garbage!

I was turned off before the part about women. Im too tired for more lectures about how im supposed to spend more time being less tired. Sunday morning. The boss needs something done by 0900 and then i have a conference call at 1000 ( a "coms check" ahead of the real call monday morning). So it's time to stop reading about sleep and do the thing that pays the bills.

Re: To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

sandworm101 wrote: post #34
t344344 wrote: post #7

Maybe they should also exercise, eat healthy, not be obese, avoid stress... All of that may boost vaccine effect! That does not apply to women, because they are gorgeous, and we should not tell them what to do. What a garbage!

I was turned off before the part about women. Im too tired for more lectures about how im supposed to spend more time being less tired. Sunday morning. The boss needs something done by 0900 and then i have a conference call at 1000 ( a "coms check" ahead of the real call monday morning). So it's time to stop reading about sleep and do the thing that pays the bills.

What company in tech has mandatory Sunday work?

Seems a little extreme. I'm guessing most companies don't have this so the best option is to work for one of them.

Re: To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

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Post by Eumenes »

t344344 wrote: post #7

Maybe they should also exercise, eat healthy, not be obese, avoid stress... All of that may boost vaccine effect! That does not apply to women, because they are gorgeous, and we should not tell them what to do. What a garbage!

You can do all those things, and not get a vaccine, and be in good shape too!

Re: To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

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Post by dontlaugh »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #28
JusticeJuice wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That does not apply to women, because they are gorgeous, and we should not tell them what to do. I am baffled how you took that away from the article. Did we read the same thing? This is what they had to say about the results for women. > As for why the results in women were not significant, Dr Spiegel and her colleagues theorise that sleep affects female response to vaccines too but that hormone interference, driv…

Wait, hormone replacement therapies in women? I don’t understand this one. If we are referring to transgender women, I think they’re like less than 1% of the population or something so it doesn’t make sense to rule out all women for an outlier. If we are referring to menopausal women, I don’t believe hormone replacement for menopause is very popular (I heard it causes health problems??). Also don’t men also get hormo…

Hormone replacement is common treatment for menopause, but indeed for some women it’s not an option due to particularly bad side effects.

Men don’t typically need hormone replacement in old age, testosterone production rarely drops much, if at all. It’s why we grow bald, after all.

Re: To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

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Post by ntlk »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #28
JusticeJuice wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That does not apply to women, because they are gorgeous, and we should not tell them what to do. I am baffled how you took that away from the article. Did we read the same thing? This is what they had to say about the results for women. > As for why the results in women were not significant, Dr Spiegel and her colleagues theorise that sleep affects female response to vaccines too but that hormone interference, driv…

Wait, hormone replacement therapies in women? I don’t understand this one. If we are referring to transgender women, I think they’re like less than 1% of the population or something so it doesn’t make sense to rule out all women for an outlier. If we are referring to menopausal women, I don’t believe hormone replacement for menopause is very popular (I heard it causes health problems??). Also don’t men also get hormo…

HRT for menopause is very common. “Around 15% of women aged 45 to 64 in England are currently prescribed HRT, which has increased rapidly in the last 2 years from around 11% and continues to increase.” as per https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hundreds-of-thousands-of-...

Re: To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

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Post by ben_w »

aww_dang wrote: post #29
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, hormone replacement therapies in women? I don’t understand this one. If we are referring to transgender women, I think they’re like less than 1% of the population or something so it doesn’t make sense to rule out all women for an outlier. If we are referring to menopausal women, I don’t believe hormone replacement for menopause is very popular (I heard it causes health problems??). Also don’t men also get hormo…

Perhaps it was a reference to birth control.

The researchers[0] listed that with an "and" rather than a "for example".

> varying stages of the menstrual cycle, contraception and hormone-replacement therapies

[0] or at least the @JusticeJuice quotation, as the free version of the article doesn't contain the link to the actual research paper…

Re: To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

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Post by ben_w »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #33
aww_dang wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps it was a reference to birth control.

Sometimes it's frightening to see what a male centric community HN is but this is hilarious.

As a guy, sad more than funny.

My sex ed at (UK Catholic) school was terrible and I can't really say I know any better than the rest of the comments here, despite both curiosity and actually asking questions when dating women. (Without asking cis women, I wouldn't have guessed that low BMI can inhibit periods, nor that The Pill can sometimes make periods worse rather than better, nor the ways the implant can go wrong; and without knowing a trans woman specifically I wouldn't have found out about different bone density, though I can't remember how that came up in conversation now as she and I never dated).

It is a bad thing that so many men don't/didn't get taught about the lived experiences of (just over) half the population, and are/have been just expected to find them alien and impossible to understand.

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