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Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by oblio »

The US is super weird.

It's the only place I know of that doesn't have a clear, fixed-time based, permanent residency program, without quotas.

As an example, in all European countries that I know of, permanent residency works like this:

- you need to fulfill some prerequisites (usually a civics course/test, a language course/test, no criminal record, be employed or in education)

- then you need to be in the country for N years

- then you need to apply and you generally get the result in a few months, maximum

That's it. For the average person the "hard" requirements are actually: learn the local language up to the required level, spend N years.

It doesn't matter where you're from.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by sshine »

maxerickson wrote: post #26
sokoloff wrote: post #6

I sometimes wonder what the "right amount of time" for this would be. Surely 30 days is nowhere near enough. 60 days also feels like too little. 90 days is the typical tourist visa duration; that seems more reasonable as a minimum duration to me. Does it need to be 180 days? 364? I just don't know, but 60 seems too low.

It should be extremely relaxed and extend if there is a little bit of evidence that work is being pursued. It's expensive to live without working, people aren't going to do it on a lark.

If even the opportunity for sporadic work is there, this may be a better option than going to your home country where either pay is much lower, or the type of work isn't available. These rules are made to avoid obtaining a reserve of foreigners who do not work, even if they're capable.

I'm not arguing whether this is good or bad, but that seems to be the intent.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

#34

Post by JCharante »

oblio wrote: post #31

The US is super weird. It's the only place I know of that doesn't have a clear, fixed-time based, permanent residency program, without quotas. As an example, in all European countries that I know of, permanent residency works like this: - you need to fulfill some prerequisites (usually a civics course/test, a language course/test, no criminal record, be employed or in education) - then you need to be in the country f…

Are there any Asian countries besides Japan that give out permanent residency?

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

#35

Post by desi_ninja »

sokoloff wrote: post #6

I sometimes wonder what the "right amount of time" for this would be. Surely 30 days is nowhere near enough. 60 days also feels like too little. 90 days is the typical tourist visa duration; that seems more reasonable as a minimum duration to me. Does it need to be 180 days? 364? I just don't know, but 60 seems too low.

None of the 2 political parties want to fix it. They don't want influx of well educated immigrants who can make informed voting decisions

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

#36

Post by SenHeng »

JCharante wrote: post #34
oblio wrote: post #31

The US is super weird. It's the only place I know of that doesn't have a clear, fixed-time based, permanent residency program, without quotas. As an example, in all European countries that I know of, permanent residency works like this: - you need to fulfill some prerequisites (usually a civics course/test, a language course/test, no criminal record, be employed or in education) - then you need to be in the country f…

Are there any Asian countries besides Japan that give out permanent residency?

Singapore gives them out like candy to high earners.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

#37

Post by sshine »

tdsanchez wrote: post #13
codetrotter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should increase with time. 90 days if you are let go during your first year of working in the country. 180 days if you have been working in the country for more than a year. 365 days if you have been working in the country for more than three years.

"It should increase with time." Why is that?

The longer you have worked, the move you have proved yourself.

Bayesian inference.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

#38

Post by yohannesk »

JCharante wrote: post #34
oblio wrote: post #31

The US is super weird. It's the only place I know of that doesn't have a clear, fixed-time based, permanent residency program, without quotas. As an example, in all European countries that I know of, permanent residency works like this: - you need to fulfill some prerequisites (usually a civics course/test, a language course/test, no criminal record, be employed or in education) - then you need to be in the country f…

Are there any Asian countries besides Japan that give out permanent residency?

Thailand comes to mind

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by [deleted] »

oblio wrote: post #31

The US is super weird. It's the only place I know of that doesn't have a clear, fixed-time based, permanent residency program, without quotas. As an example, in all European countries that I know of, permanent residency works like this: - you need to fulfill some prerequisites (usually a civics course/test, a language course/test, no criminal record, be employed or in education) - then you need to be in the country f…

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Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by hsn915 »

inertiatic wrote: post #5
hsn915 wrote: post #4

No country other than your country of origin owes you a right to stay. It's not inhumane or something to have visa only for work and not for indefinite residency. If the work visa was defacto a permanent residency visa, no one would give it and no one would get it.

And your country owes you why?

You could argue that even your country doesn't owe you anything merely for existing. You have responsibilities, not just rights.

But for the purpose of this discussion, I'm assuming a person already has a country they belong to which does give them the right to stay.

No other country owes you the right to stay. Singapore does not owe me the right to be there, let alone stay there. Each country is free to decide the rules for who it allows in and how long it allows them to stay and under what conditions.

It's not a "human right".

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