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Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Post by manfre »

miles wrote: post #19
CyanLite4 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

L3 driving is only available at low speeds, approx 35mph which means only useful for stop-and-go traffic. Many cars with adaptive cruise control can already do this. Source: https://www.rambus.com/blogs/driving-automation-levels/#leve...

> L3 driving is only available at low speeds, approx 35mph In that case, this paragraph from the article doesn't make much sense (in fairness, it was on pretty shaky ground to begin with): > Mercedes’ Level 3 conditionally automated driving assistant can, on suitable highway sections [emphasis added] and where traffic density is high, offer to take over the driving, leaving the driver free to do something else, like…

Highways during rush hour in many cities have traffic that moves very slowly for many miles/hours. This L3 is perfect for those situations where people are reading books during the stop and go.

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Post by glitchc »

sockaddr wrote: post #22
glitchc wrote: post #10

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Can't argue that Tesla's smaller than Mercedes when Tesla's market cap is so much larger. In 2021, at it's peak Tesla's market cap crossed $1.2 Trillion. Daimler at it's peak this year only reached $81 Billion (although climbing). Why couldn't Tesla just buy out Daimler? Even now Tesla sitting at a valuation of $372 Billion. It could happen tomorrow. Tell me Elon's the savvy businessman you claim him to be. If Gates…

As an owner who experiences the “joy” of dealing with a tesla on a daily basis it’s simple: Tesla is over-valued. There’s so many little gotchas and shortcuts taken that I find it impossible to believe this company is worth what people claim it is on paper. The theoretical wealth of this company stems from consumer/investor ignorance in my opinion. That’s why he hasn’t acquired more of his competitors, the value can’…

Umm that's not how mergers and takeovers work. He bought Twitter on a bully offer, half of which was paid with Tesla stock. If anything, this is the best way to convert overhyped stock into real value.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Post by sonofhans »

glitchc wrote: post #10
mmsimanga wrote: post #6

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I am paraphrasing a quote I have heard before, "Pioneers get the bullets and settlers get the land." Might not be actual bullets but pioneers today have to deal with legislators, put up charging stations, develop most components from scratch and so on. These are the modern day bullets. If they don't get bought by a larger company the larger company launches a competing product with the benefit of the experiences of t…

Can't argue that Tesla's smaller than Mercedes when Tesla's market cap is so much larger. In 2021, at it's peak Tesla's market cap crossed $1.2 Trillion. Daimler at it's peak this year only reached $81 Billion (although climbing). Why couldn't Tesla just buy out Daimler? Even now Tesla sitting at a valuation of $372 Billion. It could happen tomorrow. Tell me Elon's the savvy businessman you claim him to be. If Gates…

> If Gates were running the company, he would have acquired half the auto industry by now.

I love this. I haven’t heard it put this way before. I’m tempted to agree with you. Gates was one of the most aggressive, cutthroat, successful empire builders of this century.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Post by judge2020 »

brigade wrote: post #17
kortilla wrote: post #3

> According to the SAE levels of driving automation, a Level 3-capable vehicle can take over certain driving tasks, but a driver is still required to be present and ready to take control of the car at all times when prompted to intervene. The first part of the article mentions the driver being able to take a meeting or watch a movie. That’s complete horseshit if they need to be ready to take control of the car at all…

Big difference between needing to keep attention on the road because the car is liable to hit parked cars obstructing the travel lane, and merely having to be ready to start paying attention when the operational design domain of a L3 system is no longer met. Like for this Drive Pilot, when traffic speeds up to 40 MPH.

The only thing is whether or not Mercedes will take liability for their system if it causes an incident while operating within their defined driving limitation (eg. 35mph). If they still say "it's up to you", it's tough to trust it enough to read a book or watch a movie.

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Post by theluketaylor »

CyanLite4 wrote: post #7
kortilla wrote: post #3

> According to the SAE levels of driving automation, a Level 3-capable vehicle can take over certain driving tasks, but a driver is still required to be present and ready to take control of the car at all times when prompted to intervene. The first part of the article mentions the driver being able to take a meeting or watch a movie. That’s complete horseshit if they need to be ready to take control of the car at all…

L3 driving is only available at low speeds, approx 35mph which means only useful for stop-and-go traffic. Many cars with adaptive cruise control can already do this. Source: https://www.rambus.com/blogs/driving-automation-levels/#leve...

The big difference is MB is taking liability in the event of a collision and he car won’t simply hand control back to the driver. This is much more advanced than any L2 system and the fact MB is taking liability is a whole different ballpark.

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Post by pySSK »

nullish_signal wrote: post #8
bfeynman wrote: post #5

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fyi neuralink fundamentally doesn't work.

Elaborate? The demo of a Pig on a Treadmill, with accurate predictions of Joint Locations, was very impressive to me.

That has existed in academia for 10-20 years. The only thing different is the marketing + the move fast break things ethos both of which are typically frowned upon in academia.

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Post by foepys »

kortilla wrote: post #3

> According to the SAE levels of driving automation, a Level 3-capable vehicle can take over certain driving tasks, but a driver is still required to be present and ready to take control of the car at all times when prompted to intervene. The first part of the article mentions the driver being able to take a meeting or watch a movie. That’s complete horseshit if they need to be ready to take control of the car at all…

In Germany (where this system is already available) Mercedes takes liability and the system gives the driver a 10 second advanced warning before they have to take over.

It's also only available on certain stretches of the Autobahn. If the system allows you to enable it, you can use it. The German law allows autonomous driving up to 130 km/h although Mercedes currently only allows their system to work up to 60 km/h.

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Post by gumby »

judge2020 wrote: post #13
CyanLite4 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

L3 driving is only available at low speeds, approx 35mph which means only useful for stop-and-go traffic. Many cars with adaptive cruise control can already do this. Source: https://www.rambus.com/blogs/driving-automation-levels/#leve...

The public page makes no such distinction[0]. I created a mySAE account to download the full spec. What I found is that the manufacturer generally has fairly free reign to define their "operational design domain (ODD)" for level 3 systems, aka what conditions the car's "level 3" operation is designed for and can operate under. The only real requirement for level 3 is that OEDR is required (monitoring the driving envi…

Those are SAE’s criteria but I wonder what Federal and state DoT’s have to say about the matter.

Props to SAE for making their spec free do download, modulo a gratuitous account.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Post by isomorphic »

glitchc wrote: post #32
sockaddr wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an owner who experiences the “joy” of dealing with a tesla on a daily basis it’s simple: Tesla is over-valued. There’s so many little gotchas and shortcuts taken that I find it impossible to believe this company is worth what people claim it is on paper. The theoretical wealth of this company stems from consumer/investor ignorance in my opinion. That’s why he hasn’t acquired more of his competitors, the value can’…

Umm that's not how mergers and takeovers work. He bought Twitter on a bully offer, half of which was paid with Tesla stock. If anything, this is the best way to convert overhyped stock into real value.

Real value to the people that sold Twitter, certainly.
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