> What now? vim + billion plugins?
Just vim :-)
Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#32After years of using IntelliJ I finally moved to VSCode. IntelliJ simply could do C/C++ but they chose to push people towards a new IDE... C Lion. That was a huge blow for me, a polyglot. Then I had a couple of bug opened with them... it took years for them to fix it. Except they marked it as fixed and it was indeed not fixed... Years later! I kept paying until that point, I just couldn't do it anymore. The company i…
> Also VSCode is faster which still boggles my mind as to how that's possible.
They do a lot of smart engineering around the editor: https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2018/03/23/text-buffer-r...
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#33JetBrains also published a separate post addressing the concerns about the new UI https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2022/06/addressing-the-new-u...
to be honest, not sure why they have to explain themselves. started using JetBrains products when Eclipse became a monstrosity. this is not the first time the UI has changed. and it has always been gradual, with options to customize. they don't have to explain themselves here.
True, but people will also not have to explain themselves when they eventually switch to VS Code because VS Code is free, has the same UI, and get more feature rich by the week.
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#34Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. If they force this update, I'll just not update it. Not to mention, since I now will not be updating it, I can cancel my yearly, recurring subscription too. Hey Jetbrains: You just have to do one thing. And that is: to NOT mess up existing thing. Even if you stop launching new features into your prod…
> Forget what VSCode is doing.
Except for remote development extension. Do that. It's the killer feature of VSCode.
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#35After years of using IntelliJ I finally moved to VSCode. IntelliJ simply could do C/C++ but they chose to push people towards a new IDE... C Lion. That was a huge blow for me, a polyglot. Then I had a couple of bug opened with them... it took years for them to fix it. Except they marked it as fixed and it was indeed not fixed... Years later! I kept paying until that point, I just couldn't do it anymore. The company i…
I use VSCode a lot and can say that for my specific use cases, it's still a decade behind or more. The debugger in VScode isn't even in the ballgame.
I found the slack support for JetBrains to be absolutely fantastic. Super helpful and very technical. Having written plugins for both VSCode and JetBrains I prefer the latter but I have a heavy Java bias.
I agree that the multi-IDE strategy is problematic. They usually offer an option to just install plugins but with CLion they kind of dropped the ball. Which is surprising because I run their rust plugin on IntelliJ and it works well. Hopefully they'll address that too.
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#36Obligatory xkcd reference to "UI Change": https://xkcd.com/1770/ JetBrains is obviously becoming more like VS Code here so that they aren't edged out of the market. "Copy your competitors". Complaining as if we are paying customers is understandable because UI changes are annoying. However we have to see things from JetBrain's perspective. They're trying to stay alive in a market where their market share is rapidly d…
Why is VSCode eating their lunch? IntelliJ’s refactoring is miles ahead. As well as support for the jvm languages. Intellisafe and jump to declaration are also better imho. The only thing that I can think of is that vscode is free and “good enough”. The integration for JavaScript and golang seems to be more “natural” in VSCode, somehow. If you are using the free IntelliJ tools you get a crappy js editor when using th…
I wonder if people are actually leaving Jetbrains' products for VS Code, or whether VS Code simply has more new people starting to use it. People who, probably, wouldn't have used IntelliJ anyway (just like many, many people used to use Eclipse – and, likely, many still do).
Looking around me, I see many people who have to work on crappy corporate PCs where management figures VS Code is good enough, and it's free, so why pay for IntelliJ? And since the devs themselves don't seem to complain, they'll just use VS Code.
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#37I find the entire "java world" as I like to think of it, littered with slow IDEs. The "Electron bloat world" editors have been much more snappy in my experience. Typically the "java world" editors will lag out to the point where tapping on the "File" menu will take 3-5 seconds on occasion. Also they seem to rely on "indexing" and while the "indexing" operating is taking place, the entire editor just slows to a comple…
I also had this feeling for Java IDEs, but my idea changed when I tried IntelliJ IDEs 10 years ago. I still feel IntelliJ IDEs fast and, many times, more powerful than VSCode. But I also see the gap getting thinner. Maybe that's why they created Fleet. If they match the dominant UX and add features only they can offer, they might stay in the throne.
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#38Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. If they force this update, I'll just not update it. Not to mention, since I now will not be updating it, I can cancel my yearly, recurring subscription too. Hey Jetbrains: You just have to do one thing. And that is: to NOT mess up existing thing. Even if you stop launching new features into your prod…
On the flip side, the only thing I want Jetbrains to do is implement proper UI scaling.
I want to be able to hit Command+Plus and scale up the whole interface for presenting something to the team or when I have to code pair with someone who doesn't have as large of a monitor as I do.
Presentation mode is an absolute mess, and does not help with code pairing or code review presentations, and font scaling only affects the one file and not all the fonts, so the project navigation is still small and I have to repeat it for every file and again in reverse to reset it.
And the best past is, they could do it without impacting anyone else who doesn't need it, unlike this proposal.
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#39Yes, vim + a couple of plugins. It has it’s downsides, but one thing it does well is being familiar, and never breaking a contract. Even the plugins themselves can be pinned to a certain version.
Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI
#40I love Jebrains IDEs. They can save you lot of time. For example, VSCode does not even come close to Jetbrains git branch comparison. It's insanely good. I think a proper IDE is always better than adding 10s of extension to get similar functionality from VScode. Even then it does not compare to the beast that is Jetbrains IDE.
Jetbrains should keep working on their own thing instead of trying to change because of someone else. This holds true for people as well.