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Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by DocTomoe »

rvnx wrote: post #17
redandblack wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like Boeing/Airbus were held responsible for 911 attacks by developing and building the planes

The big difference: Airbus and Boeing do everything to prevent attacks and hijacking and it is against their fundamental interest and the interest of their customers. Whereas, for a crypto network, the more funds flows in, the better for the operators and eventually for the developers (who gets paid by node operators via increased coin value or donations). The less compliance or questions asked, or the more anonymity…

> Airbus and Boeing does everything to prevent attacks and hijacking and it is against their fundamental interest and the interest of their customers.

They do today. Back in 2001, flying was a lot different. For starters, there was no such thing as an armoured door between the flight deck and the passenger compartment, mostly because such a door is heavy and costs extra fuel.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

rascul wrote: post #25
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being arrested is not that big of a deal- it merely means they suspect that you committed a crime and want to question you. I would also wait and see what they are accused of, maybe there is more to it than simply contributing to an open source project.

It can easily turn into a big deal if the arrest means you're locked in a cell for awhile.

What is the alternative?

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by DocTomoe »

phphphphp wrote: post #3
Arnt wrote: post #2

So a software developer is held responsible for the software. If the software is largely SaaS, then I can see the sense in that. A software developer of SaaS is also a service developer, arguably even a service operator although that depends on how the service is developed and operated. I'm sure the judge will be thrilled to have to listen to arguments about the with the nuances of dev, ops, devops and a distributed…

If you design software to do a thing and then the software is used to do that thing, it follows that you’re responsible. Whether you believe that the sanctions make sense or not is one thing, but to argue that the developer of tornado cash is not responsible for… the behaviour tornado cash… feels like a hard sell.

I hope they'll find and arrest the developers of web browsers and Google, because both tools were used to find information (about how to murder people and dispose of corpses).

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by rvnx »

DocTomoe wrote: post #31
rvnx wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big difference: Airbus and Boeing do everything to prevent attacks and hijacking and it is against their fundamental interest and the interest of their customers. Whereas, for a crypto network, the more funds flows in, the better for the operators and eventually for the developers (who gets paid by node operators via increased coin value or donations). The less compliance or questions asked, or the more anonymity…

> Airbus and Boeing does everything to prevent attacks and hijacking and it is against their fundamental interest and the interest of their customers. They do today. Back in 2001, flying was a lot different. For starters, there was no such thing as an armoured door between the flight deck and the passenger compartment, mostly because such a door is heavy and costs extra fuel.

In what world would they want to encourage hijacking or even remotely benefit from hijacking ? It doesn't make any sense

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by sph »

Tepix wrote: post #29

Wow, just wow. Am i alone in thinking this is not going to fly if all he did was write some software that helps with your financial anonymity? There must be more. Perhaps he also deployed it? That would be a different story. The article is quite murky in that regard. Perhaps they don't know yet. In there is an interesting paragraph explaining what Tornado Cash is: … The ( criminal ) origin of the cryptocurrencies is…

Satoshi has demonstrated inhuman levels of restraint. The only explanation is that he is dead.

The others are that he is not human, or that it's a committee defying Hanlon's razor: i.e. not governed by stupidity like most human affairs, but malice. Both are equally improbable.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by sva_ »

Tepix wrote: post #29

Wow, just wow. Am i alone in thinking this is not going to fly if all he did was write some software that helps with your financial anonymity? There must be more. Perhaps he also deployed it? That would be a different story. The article is quite murky in that regard. Perhaps they don't know yet. In there is an interesting paragraph explaining what Tornado Cash is: … The ( criminal ) origin of the cryptocurrencies is…

People getting arrested over crypto mixers is nothing new at all.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by Tepix »

rvnx wrote: post #9
Arnt wrote: post #2

So a software developer is held responsible for the software. If the software is largely SaaS, then I can see the sense in that. A software developer of SaaS is also a service developer, arguably even a service operator although that depends on how the service is developed and operated. I'm sure the judge will be thrilled to have to listen to arguments about the with the nuances of dev, ops, devops and a distributed…

It seems reasonable to expect that Ethereum operators share responsibility in case of usage of their network for malicious or criminal activity. They have the technical means to control what goes on there or not. Otherwise it's like if you run P2P nodes and claim pedo pictures aren't your problem.

That depends on what are reasonable technical means to prevent things.

Is it reasonable for the postal service to examine every single piece of mail to check if it is illegal?

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by Anunayj »

rvnx wrote: post #20
paulsutter wrote: post #10

There’s a big legal distinction whether the developers are collecting fees from operation of the service, since that’s very different from merely developing open source software. I’m curious how this develops > It is suspected that persons behind this organisation have made large-scale profits from these transactions.

Exactly like original of developers of Bitcoin, it's not because they are not running the nodes themselves that they are not benefiting from facilitating ponzi or money laundering. Nodes are running the network, and developers earn through increased coin value and both are necessary part of the operations of the service.

Yup exactly, the mistake these guys did here is, instead of creating a token that you have to buy to use the service, then giving yourself 50% of the token supply, and having 50 of your keys control a "DAO" for governance, they decided to flatly price.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by chaosite »

sph wrote: post #36
Tepix wrote: post #29

Wow, just wow. Am i alone in thinking this is not going to fly if all he did was write some software that helps with your financial anonymity? There must be more. Perhaps he also deployed it? That would be a different story. The article is quite murky in that regard. Perhaps they don't know yet. In there is an interesting paragraph explaining what Tornado Cash is: … The ( criminal ) origin of the cryptocurrencies is…

Satoshi has demonstrated inhuman levels of restraint. The only explanation is that he is dead. The others are that he is not human, or that it's a committee defying Hanlon's razor: i.e. not governed by stupidity like most human affairs, but malice. Both are equally improbable.

Or that he has lost the private keys.
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