Serious question: I love FF because of many reasons, but "additional voice at the web standard group" is quite far down the list for me. The top reasons I'm using FF right now are the features, namely high customizability on everything, TreeStyleTab, Picture in Picture mode with subtitle support, container tabs, all the privacy stuffs, and so on. How hard is it to have all these features with another engine like Webkit or Blink? Would there be a chance of FF keeping these features but switch out the engine it uses so that it takes less engineering effort to maintain?
Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox
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Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Firefox's marketshare is hardly the point here. As bob1029 said, there's no earthly reason why you wouldn't just build a standards-based site and have it work on any modern browser.
It's a bank. If a customer uses Firefox and loses money because of a Firefox bug or incompatibility, who do you think will be liable? The customer? No way. The bank is on the hook because it's their website that resulted in the loss. So the bank has to test in Firefox, they can't just put all their hope in web standards that may or may not represent reality. When Firefox falls to a certain marketshare it makes no sen…
not at the bank i work for.
they have some sites that only work in chrome, some that only work in edge, some that only work in internet explorer, and absolutely nobody cares except for some pedantic nerds like me.
fixing the problems would cost more than any potential errors they might have.
Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox
#33Chromium-based engine : Chromium, Chrome, Brave, Opera, Vivaldi, Edge, Naver Whale.
Firefox-based engine : Firefox, GNU Icecat.
Firefox is slowly becoming the pariah of web browser.
Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox
#34Chromium-based engine : Chromium, Chrome, Brave, Opera, Vivaldi, Edge, Naver Whale. Firefox-based engine : Firefox, GNU Icecat. Firefox is slowly becoming the pariah of web browser.
I'm building a web app, and tested the app against all those browser. The behavior is really different, especially regarding the implementation a newly developed web api and the depreciation plan of ancient javascript api. For example, xhr depreciation [1].
As for chromium, they are quite responsive in responding the developer inquiries regarding a browser-specific API implementation. [2][3]
Sadly, it's IE vs Netscape all over again.
[1] : https://xhr.spec.whatwg.org/#the-open()-method
[2] :https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/chromium-discuss
[3] : https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353527090_Rancang_B... (it contains my communication excerpts to the Chromium team, regarding xhr deprecation plan)
Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox
#35I wonder if people realize how low Firefox marketshare has fallen, or if people are stuck in a 2010s-era idea of what the web browser landscape is like. I also think the prevalence of Firefox among the (overall tiny) desktop Linux demographic tends to warp developer perspectives. It's under 4% - for all intents and purposes a dead browser. I certainly wouldn't devote any engineering hours towards supporting it.
Falling market share in a growing market doesn't necessarily mean falling total usage.
Additionally, the market FF serves this days is educated, rich and ahead of the curve. Not a market you necessarily want to ignore.
Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
"It makes no sense to appeal to 4% of the population" seems like a bizarre claim, especially since that 4% is likely to be programmers in the top 25% of income. I'm also not sure what error you're expecting? If browser bugs are a serious risk like this, you should surely be able to cite a few example lawsuits from the last year or two?
This argument seems bizarre to me considering the volumes of money banks work with and the lack of programmers who only use banks that take Firefox. I'm not sure what you're expecting, that banks are just doing it to spite Mozilla?
I really don't believe the return-on-investment for a major bank to support Firefox is negative. Quick Google napkin math says a customer is worth $500/year, and a decent programmer is easily available for $50/hour. You only need to stop one (1) customer from leaving for every day of programming this costs. This thread is at +89 and has 32 comments, so it's probably worth at least a programmer-month.
If you can't make your website Firefox compliant in a month, you have some very deep design issues. Firefox compliance is so trivial that most websites achieve it without even trying, because Firefox follows basically the same standards Chrome does.
Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox
#37Anecdotally, if you use firefox on android to sign in to a wells fargo account you will get a shitload more captchas and extra verification steps to actually login than if you use chrome, or their officially published app. This is not how the web was supposed to be.
I've gotten a ton of captchas when using Brave. One time I was trying to create an account and I just got an unending stream of them. I literally gave up after 15 or so. If it had said I was going to have to do 20, I might have continued. But there was on light at the end of the tunnel, so I gave up.
Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox
#38I wonder if people realize how low Firefox marketshare has fallen, or if people are stuck in a 2010s-era idea of what the web browser landscape is like. I also think the prevalence of Firefox among the (overall tiny) desktop Linux demographic tends to warp developer perspectives. It's under 4% - for all intents and purposes a dead browser. I certainly wouldn't devote any engineering hours towards supporting it.
Falling market share in a growing market doesn't necessarily mean falling total usage. Additionally, the market FF serves this days is educated, rich and ahead of the curve. Not a market you necessarily want to ignore.
> the market FF serves this days is educated, rich and ahead of the curve.
That’s some weird projection that made me laugh. I used to use firefox everyday until it became too annoying and I moved on to another browser and never looked back. Firefox used to be great but those days are long gone.
Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox
#39What they really mean: "We're no longer developing for/testing Firefox, and if you run into a technical issue we will not offer any support". Firefox will probably continue to work fine.
Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox
#40Few weeks ago my bank force me to use password and SMS code for transactions because of EU regulations. But if I would use app (which I won't), I don't have to use any passwords.
Which EU regulation tell banks to use SMS and password to make transactions without app?