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Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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I wonder if people realize how low Firefox marketshare has fallen, or if people are stuck in a 2010s-era idea of what the web browser landscape is like. I also think the prevalence of Firefox among the (overall tiny) desktop Linux demographic tends to warp developer perspectives. It's under 4% - for all intents and purposes a dead browser. I certainly wouldn't devote any engineering hours towards supporting it.

In most industries increasing your reach by 3% is worth doing.

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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post #6

I wonder if people realize how low Firefox marketshare has fallen, or if people are stuck in a 2010s-era idea of what the web browser landscape is like. I also think the prevalence of Firefox among the (overall tiny) desktop Linux demographic tends to warp developer perspectives. It's under 4% - for all intents and purposes a dead browser. I certainly wouldn't devote any engineering hours towards supporting it.

Firefox's marketshare is hardly the point here. As bob1029 said, there's no earthly reason why you wouldn't just build a standards-based site and have it work on any modern browser.

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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Not to mention, the core development team has been cut. Mozilla is rebranding itself into a “Social Justice For Tech” marketing firm. There are two significant platforms left Chromium and WebKit. I hope that isn’t the future, but browser dominance is such an obscure, indirect problem to the industry that no company would bother touching it.

Not sure where you got the idea that the core development team has been cut, Firefox development remains strong. For example, here's a 1,000+ line patch that just landed two days ago. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1779952

I shouldn’t of said cut, but they did layoff 250 members 2 years ago and among those were the Servo team.

https://www.protocol.com/amp/mozilla-layoffs-2646950077

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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post #6

I wonder if people realize how low Firefox marketshare has fallen, or if people are stuck in a 2010s-era idea of what the web browser landscape is like. I also think the prevalence of Firefox among the (overall tiny) desktop Linux demographic tends to warp developer perspectives. It's under 4% - for all intents and purposes a dead browser. I certainly wouldn't devote any engineering hours towards supporting it.

Firefox's marketshare is hardly the point here. As bob1029 said, there's no earthly reason why you wouldn't just build a standards-based site and have it work on any modern browser.

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Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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post #6

I wonder if people realize how low Firefox marketshare has fallen, or if people are stuck in a 2010s-era idea of what the web browser landscape is like. I also think the prevalence of Firefox among the (overall tiny) desktop Linux demographic tends to warp developer perspectives. It's under 4% - for all intents and purposes a dead browser. I certainly wouldn't devote any engineering hours towards supporting it.

Firefox's marketshare is hardly the point here. As bob1029 said, there's no earthly reason why you wouldn't just build a standards-based site and have it work on any modern browser.

It's a bank. If a customer uses Firefox and loses money because of a Firefox bug or incompatibility, who do you think will be liable? The customer? No way. The bank is on the hook because it's their website that resulted in the loss.

So the bank has to test in Firefox, they can't just put all their hope in web standards that may or may not represent reality.

When Firefox falls to a certain marketshare it makes no sense for the bank to keep testing on Firefox.

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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post #11
post #6

I wonder if people realize how low Firefox marketshare has fallen, or if people are stuck in a 2010s-era idea of what the web browser landscape is like. I also think the prevalence of Firefox among the (overall tiny) desktop Linux demographic tends to warp developer perspectives. It's under 4% - for all intents and purposes a dead browser. I certainly wouldn't devote any engineering hours towards supporting it.

In most industries increasing your reach by 3% is worth doing.

You are not losing all that 4%, most will just launch another browser to for your site if they have to

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox's marketshare is hardly the point here. As bob1029 said, there's no earthly reason why you wouldn't just build a standards-based site and have it work on any modern browser.

It's a bank. If a customer uses Firefox and loses money because of a Firefox bug or incompatibility, who do you think will be liable? The customer? No way. The bank is on the hook because it's their website that resulted in the loss. So the bank has to test in Firefox, they can't just put all their hope in web standards that may or may not represent reality. When Firefox falls to a certain marketshare it makes no sen…

"It makes no sense to appeal to 4% of the population" seems like a bizarre claim, especially since that 4% is likely to be programmers in the top 25% of income.

I'm also not sure what error you're expecting? If browser bugs are a serious risk like this, you should surely be able to cite a few example lawsuits from the last year or two?

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bank. If a customer uses Firefox and loses money because of a Firefox bug or incompatibility, who do you think will be liable? The customer? No way. The bank is on the hook because it's their website that resulted in the loss. So the bank has to test in Firefox, they can't just put all their hope in web standards that may or may not represent reality. When Firefox falls to a certain marketshare it makes no sen…

"It makes no sense to appeal to 4% of the population" seems like a bizarre claim, especially since that 4% is likely to be programmers in the top 25% of income. I'm also not sure what error you're expecting? If browser bugs are a serious risk like this, you should surely be able to cite a few example lawsuits from the last year or two?

This argument seems bizarre to me considering the volumes of money banks work with and the lack of programmers who only use banks that take Firefox. I'm not sure what you're expecting, that banks are just doing it to spite Mozilla?

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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post #3

My bank (B of A) started complaining about Debian's firefox-esr being too old and out of date, so I loaded the bleeding edge version just to access my bank account, but use the esr version for general browsing.

I for one am glad to run a version that Eric S. Raymond has officially blessed.

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most industries increasing your reach by 3% is worth doing.

You are not losing all that 4%, most will just launch another browser to for your site if they have to

Or user agent spoof, then blame the bank if it blows up.

(This is what I do. No problems so far…)

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