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Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by harg »

belorn wrote: post #17
yadaeno wrote: post #6

This is great, data shows that beeping is effective for increasing seatbelts usage, I see no reason why this wouldn't apply to speeding. I hope they take this a step further. Cars should not be able to exceed 90mph unless you have a special license for the track. 99.9% of drivers are not tracking their car and theres absolutely no reason a 6000lb pick up truck needs to go 150mph under any circumstance. https://www.nc…

How often do your seatbelt warning give out false positives? How high false rate would people accept before they removed/rigged the device? One major reason why ignition locks that uses breathalyzers has failed to gain popularity is false positives. Police always do a blood test after a positive breath test, because those breathalyzers have know faults when it comes to a number of substances, including bread, fruit,…

> How often do your seatbelt warning give out false positives?

Never, in any car I’ve ever been in, have I seen a false positive seatbelt warning.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by b20000 »

Youden wrote: post #24

I think the title is a bit misleading. The mandate is for intelligent speed assistance. I own a car with such a feature and I think it's already pretty common in higher-end vehicles even without the mandate. The form it takes in my car is that there's a little symbol with the current speed limit displayed on the HUD. The speed limit is sourced from road signs or the car's navigation data. When you exceed the speed li…

the problem is that the car will limit your speed. it will not just alert you.

this is incredibly dangerous as sometimes you need to drive over the speed limit to avoid accidents or dangerous drivers.

instead of introducing this they should send drivers to driving school and make the police check driver licenses more often and arrest those driving without a license.

in germany you can drive at any speed you want in certain areas of the autobahn and that’s great and actually important to be able to get where you want efficiently. i doubt there are more accidents there. but people actually know how to drive and that is the difference.

these kind of speed limiters are just introduced by politicians to gain votes, it’s easy to sell the population on an idea to punish those driving too fast. easier than to do the right thing, which is to remove idiots who can’t drive from traffic.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

b20000 wrote: post #32
Youden wrote: post #24

I think the title is a bit misleading. The mandate is for intelligent speed assistance. I own a car with such a feature and I think it's already pretty common in higher-end vehicles even without the mandate. The form it takes in my car is that there's a little symbol with the current speed limit displayed on the HUD. The speed limit is sourced from road signs or the car's navigation data. When you exceed the speed li…

the problem is that the car will limit your speed. it will not just alert you. this is incredibly dangerous as sometimes you need to drive over the speed limit to avoid accidents or dangerous drivers. instead of introducing this they should send drivers to driving school and make the police check driver licenses more often and arrest those driving without a license. in germany you can drive at any speed you want in c…

This contradicts what the poster above you is saying. Do you have a car that behaves differently and doesn't let you override it, or are you making assumptions?

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

harg wrote: post #31
belorn wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How often do your seatbelt warning give out false positives? How high false rate would people accept before they removed/rigged the device? One major reason why ignition locks that uses breathalyzers has failed to gain popularity is false positives. Police always do a blood test after a positive breath test, because those breathalyzers have know faults when it comes to a number of substances, including bread, fruit,…

> How often do your seatbelt warning give out false positives? Never, in any car I’ve ever been in, have I seen a false positive seatbelt warning.

Exactly, that's his point: Those systems are tolerated because they don't have false positives.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by zeeZ »

My car has a speed limit detection system using a camera and a button I can press to change the speed limiter to the current detected value.

It works most of the time, but where it doesn't, it would be a major pain if it was automatic or audible.

My onramp to the Autobahn is limited to 80km/h due to a construction zone with the same limit on the Autobahn itself that ends just before the merge.

The limit on the Autobahn is ended with a sign, but the one on my onramp is not. Technically I would have to keep driving 80 until I reach my exit, because that was the last posted limit and there are no other signs to change that. Since there are no signs, my car keeps showing me the 80 limit all the way.

Realistically I can see the canceled limit sign across the bit of grass and divider at the end of the constructio,n and drive whatever speed seems appropriate in this unrestricted stretch.

If the system was audible, would it beep at me the entire way? If it was automatic and try to limit me to 80, I'd cause a major traffic jam, because I'd be constantly passed by every single truck, blocking both of the available lanes. Their speedometers are better calibrated than mine, and I'd be going 77 while they keep at 89.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by abstractbeliefs »

b20000 wrote: post #32
Youden wrote: post #24

I think the title is a bit misleading. The mandate is for intelligent speed assistance. I own a car with such a feature and I think it's already pretty common in higher-end vehicles even without the mandate. The form it takes in my car is that there's a little symbol with the current speed limit displayed on the HUD. The speed limit is sourced from road signs or the car's navigation data. When you exceed the speed li…

the problem is that the car will limit your speed. it will not just alert you. this is incredibly dangerous as sometimes you need to drive over the speed limit to avoid accidents or dangerous drivers. instead of introducing this they should send drivers to driving school and make the police check driver licenses more often and arrest those driving without a license. in germany you can drive at any speed you want in c…

The regulators permit something akin to kickdown. While the cars will limit you under gentle/steady state driving, if you floor the accelerator to avoid an accident, the limiters will disengage:

3.6.1.4. It shall be possible for the driver to override the SCF intervention by performing a positive action, for example by pressing the accelerator control harder or deeper.

from https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:...

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by throwaway193948 »

Youden wrote: post #24

I think the title is a bit misleading. The mandate is for intelligent speed assistance. I own a car with such a feature and I think it's already pretty common in higher-end vehicles even without the mandate. The form it takes in my car is that there's a little symbol with the current speed limit displayed on the HUD. The speed limit is sourced from road signs or the car's navigation data. When you exceed the speed li…

my car has these features and sometimes thinks the speed limit is 100mph in residential neighborhoods

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by analog31 »

dane-pgp wrote: post #18

Maybe one of the goals is to make driving so tedious that people happily adopt autonomous features. If someone puts up a fake speed limit sign and tricks your self-driving car to travel 30 mph under the actual limit, then you might not care, if you're having a snooze on a nice reclining seat. Still, I think it's not too early for governments to pass harsh laws against interfering with or obscuring road signs. With so…

>>>> Maybe one of the goals is to make driving so tedious that people happily adopt autonomous features.

This has already been achieved in the US without any regulation at all, simply by increasing the amount of traffic on most roads.

Maybe it's just that I'm getting old, but driving has gotten to be such a chore that I'm happy to let everything be automated. I've already switched to automatic transmission, lane assist, and adaptive cruise control.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by AmericanChopper »

harg wrote: post #31
belorn wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How often do your seatbelt warning give out false positives? How high false rate would people accept before they removed/rigged the device? One major reason why ignition locks that uses breathalyzers has failed to gain popularity is false positives. Police always do a blood test after a positive breath test, because those breathalyzers have know faults when it comes to a number of substances, including bread, fruit,…

> How often do your seatbelt warning give out false positives? Never, in any car I’ve ever been in, have I seen a false positive seatbelt warning.

I’ve seen it many times. Every time I put a heavy object on a seat without plugging the seatbelts in.

Re: New EU rules on car speed limiters coming into force

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Post by analog31 »

johnisgood wrote: post #27
Youden wrote: post #24

I think the title is a bit misleading. The mandate is for intelligent speed assistance. I own a car with such a feature and I think it's already pretty common in higher-end vehicles even without the mandate. The form it takes in my car is that there's a little symbol with the current speed limit displayed on the HUD. The speed limit is sourced from road signs or the car's navigation data. When you exceed the speed li…

That sounds much better. I would freak out if my car would accelerate or decelerate on its own, especially when it does not have to. As other people have said, I do not think the technology is there yet. Maybe in major cities, highways it might be possible, eventually, but forget A LOT of roads.

With the exception of neighborhood streets and busy trunk roads, my speed is being governed by the vehicle in front of me, thanks to adaptive cruise control. It was a bit unnerving at first, but now I turn it on the moment I'm on the highway. I suspect manual speed control will go the way of the manual transmission.

And it does have an override -- I can step on the gas any time I want -- but I've never used it.

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