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Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Post by dopidopHN »

cecilpl2 wrote: post #14
xyst wrote: post #10

all of this time and money wasted on driverless cars has been a complete failure. companies and cities should be investing their time into improving public transportation and designing our cities to be more walkable and make alternate modes of transportation more feasible. the US culture of using a car for everyday transportation is fucking insane, wasteful, and contributes to the rising cost of living across the US…

Cities cannot easily be "redesigned". Infrastructure exists and you can't just refactor neighborhoods like software. Autonomous vehicles are an enormous market and well worth the investment.

It’s not easy, for sure.

But it has been done. It’s a matter of will. Not saying it’s de facto a good idea. But cities can be refactored. See : Haussmann.

Are you from the US? I find the kind of passive statement about the state of systems prevalent here. ( be it public transportation, internet infrastructure, political framework )

I start to doubt the capacity of this country to adapt.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Post by ryukafalz »

picture wrote: post #18
cecilpl2 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cities cannot easily be "redesigned". Infrastructure exists and you can't just refactor neighborhoods like software. Autonomous vehicles are an enormous market and well worth the investment.

Except, you sorta can. See "superblocks" in places like Barcelona

Right. You can make huge impacts with comparatively very small changes to the built environment.

It’s the “MVP” of city design. :)

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Post by asdff »

cecilpl2 wrote: post #14
xyst wrote: post #10

all of this time and money wasted on driverless cars has been a complete failure. companies and cities should be investing their time into improving public transportation and designing our cities to be more walkable and make alternate modes of transportation more feasible. the US culture of using a car for everyday transportation is fucking insane, wasteful, and contributes to the rising cost of living across the US…

Cities cannot easily be "redesigned". Infrastructure exists and you can't just refactor neighborhoods like software. Autonomous vehicles are an enormous market and well worth the investment.

Sometimes the market is not worth existing if it harms the planet. And most cities were actually designed for streetcar lines in the U.S., that includes all the big ones in California too. We just need to reengage that, and do simple things like give the existing bus networks signal preemption and their own lanes. Plus considering most car trips are under 5 miles and california has good weather, it makes no sense why there shouldn't be bike lanes absolutely everywhere and the majority of journeys done on bike or ebike.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Post by bko »

xyst wrote: post #10

all of this time and money wasted on driverless cars has been a complete failure. companies and cities should be investing their time into improving public transportation and designing our cities to be more walkable and make alternate modes of transportation more feasible. the US culture of using a car for everyday transportation is fucking insane, wasteful, and contributes to the rising cost of living across the US…

> $80 Billion Has Been Spent on Self-Driving Cars With Nothing to Show for It. [0]

That's a lot of money sure, but what could that get you if it was spent on infrastructure? That couldn't even pay for a 500 mile high speed rail from LA to San Fransisco which is now going to cost at least $110 billion [1].

[0] https://www.treehugger.com/praise-dumb-transportation-self-d...

[1] https://www.constructiondive.com/news/california-high-speed-...

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Post by Akronymus »

apstats wrote: post #19
xyst wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am more annoyed at this country's car centric transportation culture than the ride share drivers blocking the bike lane. taxis do this all the time before "ride sharing" was a thing.

Very true! Cities in the US invest much too little in things like bike lanes and public transit which I think leads to the annoyingly car centric nature of US cities. In some sense it’s not the taxi driver or ride share drivers fault they block the road or bike lanes it’s really just the system they are thrown into.

Ironically enough, cities that are less car centric are actually better for drivers, simply because less people HAVE to take cars.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Post by a9h74j »

maximus-decimus wrote: post #25
jotm wrote: post #16

> Le dernier titulaire d’un permis de conduire est déjà né X Doubt

plot twist : in 20 years the only car anybody drives is the Citroen Ami which doesn't require a driving license in France since it's technically a "quadricycle" and not a "car".

Magazine article title in 2080:

The quaint subculture of people who drive their cars.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Post by Akronymus »

mrshadowgoose wrote: post #30
xyst wrote: post #10

all of this time and money wasted on driverless cars has been a complete failure. companies and cities should be investing their time into improving public transportation and designing our cities to be more walkable and make alternate modes of transportation more feasible. the US culture of using a car for everyday transportation is fucking insane, wasteful, and contributes to the rising cost of living across the US…

Public transportation could take the form of government-owned fleets of self-driving electric cars :) I love going directly from point A to B in a private space and I'm not ashamed to admit it. This provides value to my life in the form of comfort and convenience, factors that are so frequently waved away as irrelevant by anyone screaming "car culture". However, it's admittedly obscene that for this privledge, my veh…

> I love going directly from point A to B in a private space and I'm not ashamed to admit it. This provides value to my life in the form of comfort and convenience, factors that are so frequently waved away as irrelevant by anyone screaming "car culture".

Its not irrelevant. But driving becomes better the less people are taking cars. So, even for people who would never take public transport or something like that, its beneficial to invest in it.

Being able to take a car is a freedom, HAVING to take one isn't.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Post by quartesixte »

asdff wrote: post #33
cecilpl2 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cities cannot easily be "redesigned". Infrastructure exists and you can't just refactor neighborhoods like software. Autonomous vehicles are an enormous market and well worth the investment.

Sometimes the market is not worth existing if it harms the planet. And most cities were actually designed for streetcar lines in the U.S., that includes all the big ones in California too. We just need to reengage that, and do simple things like give the existing bus networks signal preemption and their own lanes. Plus considering most car trips are under 5 miles and california has good weather, it makes no sense why…

Streetcars would be an amazing God send to LA. Would love to have them back.
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