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Association between ADHD medication and depression: A 10-year follow-up

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Re: Association between ADHD medication and depression: A 10-year follow-up

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Post by nominusllc »

zrail wrote: post #22
citilife wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was actually going to point that out. IMO from what I've seen of parents are that people who bring their children at a young-ish age to a therapist have a different issue. Especially "being to hyper" or "being unable to focus" have a different issue. Children are supposed to be outside moving 8-12 hours a day, have you seen puppies? They need something similar. Instead many parents give their children tablets, plop…

So it feels to me that you're saying ADHD doesn't exist and it's a matter of parental failure or indifference. Do I have that right?

I have ADHD, and increasing eustress by working out or doing fun physical things like sports to the point of being tired is one thing that is better than anything I've been prescribed. It's not fall asleep tired, it's more akin to being physically spent. When there is no more need to fidget and do things, I focus like a laser and am less prone to impulse.

Re: Association between ADHD medication and depression: A 10-year follow-up

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Post by zzen »

citilife wrote: post #17
pflats wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The study also does not claim to show a causal relationship.

I was actually going to point that out. IMO from what I've seen of parents are that people who bring their children at a young-ish age to a therapist have a different issue. Especially "being to hyper" or "being unable to focus" have a different issue. Children are supposed to be outside moving 8-12 hours a day, have you seen puppies? They need something similar. Instead many parents give their children tablets, plop…

> “ People who are diagnosed with ADHD at a younger age likely have parents who just don't want / know how to deal with issues.”

I have no idea where you take this opinion from or if you can back it up. From my anecdotal evidence exactly the opposite is true: kids from families who do realize there is such a thing as mental health and who care deeply about their kids - those get diagnosed. Kids from other families just get mostly slapped around and screamed at to get their shit together.

Re: Association between ADHD medication and depression: A 10-year follow-up

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Post by greatpostman »

In case people don’t know yet, doctors in some sense have an imperative to prescribe medication, regardless of whether it will destroy someone’s life. It’s almost considered mal practice not to prescribe SSRIs to a depressed person. But that prescription may follow them for life, most never get off them. Or don’t even know who they are when they get older, was that drugged person them or someone else?

Re: Association between ADHD medication and depression: A 10-year follow-up

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Post by davemp »

zrail wrote: post #22
citilife wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was actually going to point that out. IMO from what I've seen of parents are that people who bring their children at a young-ish age to a therapist have a different issue. Especially "being to hyper" or "being unable to focus" have a different issue. Children are supposed to be outside moving 8-12 hours a day, have you seen puppies? They need something similar. Instead many parents give their children tablets, plop…

So it feels to me that you're saying ADHD doesn't exist and it's a matter of parental failure or indifference. Do I have that right?

I don’t see how you are getting that from OP’s comment. OP seems to be claiming that ADHD is often over diagnosed and/or treated improperly. A viewpoint shared by people I know in the field.

Re: Association between ADHD medication and depression: A 10-year follow-up

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Post by kayodelycaon »

ALittleLight wrote: post #3

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I suggesting reading up on ADHD before making this claim. ADHD is an absolutely deliberating executive function disorder. It is not restlessness or a personality trait.

The biggest difference is in self-motivation. Someone with ADHD will desperately want to focus on something they like, but they can't. For many things, there is no amount of desire that can overcome this limitation.

This is very different from a kid who just isn't interested and wants to do something else.

Re: Association between ADHD medication and depression: A 10-year follow-up

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Post by greatpostman »

CodeMage wrote: post #29
ALittleLight wrote: post #3

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It's more horrifying to me that HN has turned into a kind of place where people will confidently assert their judgment something they have no knowledge about. My son has ADHD. There are other ADHD cases in the family, so we knew that could be the case with him, but we waited until he was in middle school to even try to check, because we didn't want him to "depend on drugs", as the trope goes. We got the diagnosis fro…

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Re: Association between ADHD medication and depression: A 10-year follow-up

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Post by ericd »

adastra22 wrote: post #30
citilife wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was actually going to point that out. IMO from what I've seen of parents are that people who bring their children at a young-ish age to a therapist have a different issue. Especially "being to hyper" or "being unable to focus" have a different issue. Children are supposed to be outside moving 8-12 hours a day, have you seen puppies? They need something similar. Instead many parents give their children tablets, plop…

As someone with ADHD, who has a kid with ADHD, this dismissive attitude is really unwelcome. Inattentiveness is a real symptom with drastic life-altering effects for which medication is a godsend. Studies have shown that exposure to screen time does not result in ADHD. To be told "you're just a bad parent who lets their kid watch an iPad too much" is infuriating. (I'm trying to keep things civil per the site rules, b…

Maybe don't take it personally, I think they're saying that much of society is doing it wrong.

EDIT: But yes, they’re also saying that many parents are doing it wrong, and they’re assigning much of the blame to parenting. My point was that when a huge percentage of parents are “doing it wrong”, maybe there’s some wider systemic thing at play. Like economic forces that make people work harder than they should if they have kids, dissolution of support networks that would’ve normally cared for the kids in addition to the parents, etc. I’m not saying that this is a cause of ADHD, because I know little about it, but if you take their opinion as correct, then much of the blame could be laid at the societal structures we’ve created rather than the individual.

Re: Association between ADHD medication and depression: A 10-year follow-up

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Post by robonerd »

300bps wrote: post #24
citilife wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was actually going to point that out. IMO from what I've seen of parents are that people who bring their children at a young-ish age to a therapist have a different issue. Especially "being to hyper" or "being unable to focus" have a different issue. Children are supposed to be outside moving 8-12 hours a day, have you seen puppies? They need something similar. Instead many parents give their children tablets, plop…

Bringing them to the gym, to the park, playing in the backyard; it's a lot of work. I agree with your point but as I’m wrapping up raising my own children I’m coming to the conclusion that I made it a lot harder in myself. Driving them to a million activities, even driving them to playgrounds several times per week, Home Depot kids workshops and so much more. Sometimes I think a better thing would’ve been to simply s…

Whenever I was moping around inside, my mother always told me "Go be bored OUTSIDE"

Re: Association between ADHD medication and depression: A 10-year follow-up

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Post by mchanson »

citilife wrote: post #17
pflats wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The study also does not claim to show a causal relationship.

I was actually going to point that out. IMO from what I've seen of parents are that people who bring their children at a young-ish age to a therapist have a different issue. Especially "being to hyper" or "being unable to focus" have a different issue. Children are supposed to be outside moving 8-12 hours a day, have you seen puppies? They need something similar. Instead many parents give their children tablets, plop…

This comment is BS and showing ugly judgement of others. Really old school thinking like how they used to blame mothers for autism.

Re: Association between ADHD medication and depression: A 10-year follow-up

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Post by adastra22 »

nominusllc wrote: post #31
zrail wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it feels to me that you're saying ADHD doesn't exist and it's a matter of parental failure or indifference. Do I have that right?

I have ADHD, and increasing eustress by working out or doing fun physical things like sports to the point of being tired is one thing that is better than anything I've been prescribed. It's not fall asleep tired, it's more akin to being physically spent. When there is no more need to fidget and do things, I focus like a laser and am less prone to impulse.

Great it works for you. You probably have the hyperactive type of ADHD. For me and my daughter with inattentive/non-hyperactive ADD, doing physical things, while fun, just make us tired and want to sleep. Not a good idea if you need to focus and get work done.

I take daily medication and it has been literally life saving as I was able to turn things around and keep my marriage from falling apart, not to mention my happiness from being able to accomplish much, much more. I'm holding off medication for my daughter only because it lessens appetite and she is very skinny already. Once she's grown to her full height we'll get her meds she can use too.

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