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Post by motogpjimbo »

capableweb wrote: post #26
motogpjimbo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In hardware terms, it's the same price as a Yamaha Montage. The OP-1 isn't good value for money no matter how you look at it.

Sorry, didn't want to give the impression that the OP-1 (original or this one) is good money spent, because that I don't think. The price of this (+ the rest of their products) are wildly over-priced. I was more talking about the whole software VS hardware side of things. If I had $2000 to throw around, I'd buy a Syntakt + Digitone/Digitakt instead and get a setup that could do whatever I want + more.

No, I was just pointing out that its functionality doesn't really justify the price tag when you compare it with what's also available elsewhere. £2,000 would also buy you a Korg Minilogue XD, a Korg Opsix, a Korg Wavestate AND some form of groovebox or hardware sequencer to tie them all together, if you like small form factor gear.

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Post by stephc_int13 »

The problem with TE is that they are building top quality toys, not tools.

Maybe those toys can be used as tools in some niche context, but as a non-musician I wouldn't know.

I'd love to see them selling a more general purpose pocket computer, with the same high quality design and even the hefty price tag.

A pocket computer made for hackers (the tinkering kind)

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Post by varispeed »

bambax wrote: post #27
capableweb wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talking about making it easier to write music and then linking to a programming language for making music feels a bit weird. Yes, hardware is a barrier for sure, but a even larger barrier would be to put it behind a complicated programming language. If we really want to "democratize music tech" (whatever that means), then I think things like the Korg Volcas are much closer to achieving that. Cheaper than most compute…

I disagree. I think there is room for both. I own two Volcas, and don't use them much unfortunately. The problem with hardware is it's extremely difficult, or downright impossible, to save state. On a physical modular synth, the only way to remember what you did is to write it down or (maybe) take pictures. On a virtual modular synth all you have to do is Save As. I'm sure OP-1 can save its patches, but that doesn't…

Why do you need to save state? If you don't, it helps you finish the project and move onto the next one. And if you do it every day, then you could likely dial in any settings from your own memory quicker that it would have taken to menu dive and load from disk.

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Post by bravura »

The people complaining about the price tag: I get it.

But the OP-1 is literally the only piece of music gear you can bring on an airplane and write a whole song.

Why has no one else figured that out? With all these groove boxes etc, why has no other music gear taken the step of being portable and all-in-one.

Show me another way to write a song in an airplane, and you can have my money.

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Post by chaosprint »

bambax wrote: post #22
chaosprint wrote: post #13

It looks nice and I may consider buying one for research purpose. But I know the price tag can be quite high for many. Maybe that's partially the reason that I believe free and open-source software is a form or music democratisation. I would like to invite those who are interested in this idea to try my live coding project in the browser: https://glicol.org I have been taking this project to different workshops and t…

> https://glicol.org This looks absolutely fantastic! Thanks for sharing. Live coding in a VST (like this project https://www.osar.fr/protoplug/ ) would be the next thing? > remember to play with line 14 On my screen, line numbers are almost invisible (.CodeMirror-linenumber #e0e2e5).

Live coding in VST is already possible: https://youtu.be/tmmBhBmIEW0

Glicol is also an audio library, so you can write VST plugin with Glicol: https://github.com/chaosprint/dattorro-vst-rs

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Post by capableweb »

motogpjimbo wrote: post #31
capableweb wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, didn't want to give the impression that the OP-1 (original or this one) is good money spent, because that I don't think. The price of this (+ the rest of their products) are wildly over-priced. I was more talking about the whole software VS hardware side of things. If I had $2000 to throw around, I'd buy a Syntakt + Digitone/Digitakt instead and get a setup that could do whatever I want + more.

No, I was just pointing out that its functionality doesn't really justify the price tag when you compare it with what's also available elsewhere. £2,000 would also buy you a Korg Minilogue XD, a Korg Opsix, a Korg Wavestate AND some form of groovebox or hardware sequencer to tie them all together, if you like small form factor gear.

> No, I was just pointing out that its functionality doesn't really justify the price tag when you compare it with what's also available elsewhere

Yeah, I agree with that, which I thought my previous comment made clear, maybe I wasn't clear enough.

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Post by bambax »

capableweb wrote: post #29
bambax wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. I think there is room for both. I own two Volcas, and don't use them much unfortunately. The problem with hardware is it's extremely difficult, or downright impossible, to save state. On a physical modular synth, the only way to remember what you did is to write it down or (maybe) take pictures. On a virtual modular synth all you have to do is Save As. I'm sure OP-1 can save its patches, but that doesn't…

Eh, that's not at all true. Being able to recall state is something that has been solved for a long time, but not all synths have that functionality, I'll give you that. As two examples of synths I own that can do this: - Moog Sirin supports Program Change MIDI messages, so I save the state of the current settings via MIDI on my Octatrack, and can recall that same state whenever I want without touching the hardware o…

> Not sure how you arrived to the conclusion that saving state is "extremely difficult, or downright impossible".

I was thinking about modular synths mostly, and patching cables (also: Volca Modular).

Yes, individual synths can save/export settings, but if you want to save a whole combination with different machines it's a big headache; whereas in a DAW it's so trivial you don't even think about it.

But ok, we are sliding into the "hardware vs software" debate, which won't be solved here or there, or ever.

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Post by marban »

capableweb wrote: post #21
marban wrote: post #12

Given that the feature list reads almost like new product and the OG is already pretty complex, I'm most definitely happier with mine now than before.

Yeah, "new product" indeed, especially considering these "features" from that huge "feature" list: - NEW COLOR SCHEME - DUAL VELCRO® BACK FASTENERS - ERGONOMIC POWER SWITCH - ULTRA-FIDELITY HEADPHONE OUTPUT - NEW CUSTOM USB CABLE - NEW FONT - NEW METRONOME SOUND - NEW PACKAGING - QR CODE GUIDE LINK I'm not gonna lie, I'm generally a teenage engineering fan (besides the price that is), but some of those features sound…

Yeah, new packaging might pull me over
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