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Post by capableweb »

marban wrote: post #12

Given that the feature list reads almost like new product and the OG is already pretty complex, I'm most definitely happier with mine now than before.

Yeah, "new product" indeed, especially considering these "features" from that huge "feature" list:

- NEW COLOR SCHEME

- DUAL VELCRO® BACK FASTENERS

- ERGONOMIC POWER SWITCH

- ULTRA-FIDELITY HEADPHONE OUTPUT

- NEW CUSTOM USB CABLE

- NEW FONT

- NEW METRONOME SOUND

- NEW PACKAGING

- QR CODE GUIDE LINK

I'm not gonna lie, I'm generally a teenage engineering fan (besides the price that is), but some of those features sounds like part of a comedy/sarcastic copy of the actual launch website.

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Post by bambax »

chaosprint wrote: post #13

It looks nice and I may consider buying one for research purpose. But I know the price tag can be quite high for many. Maybe that's partially the reason that I believe free and open-source software is a form or music democratisation. I would like to invite those who are interested in this idea to try my live coding project in the browser: https://glicol.org I have been taking this project to different workshops and t…

> https://glicol.org

This looks absolutely fantastic! Thanks for sharing.

Live coding in a VST (like this project https://www.osar.fr/protoplug/) would be the next thing?

> remember to play with line 14

On my screen, line numbers are almost invisible (.CodeMirror-linenumber #e0e2e5).

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Post by goldenkey »

motogpjimbo wrote: post #18
capableweb wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the debate of hardware vs software continues! It's true that if you just compare the costs, it might be cheaper to go the software route. But I mainly make music to go away from the computer, as I spend a lot of my days programming on one already. And the ability of pulling me away from the computer you can't put a price on :) Plus, fiddling with real knobs that affect the sound in real-time, having a keyboard wi…

In hardware terms, it's the same price as a Yamaha Montage. The OP-1 isn't good value for money no matter how you look at it.

Utility decreases as one acquires more money. For someone with a lot of money the OP-1 might be worth it.

But yes, on an objective scale, the OP-1 is not competitive.

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Post by capableweb »

motogpjimbo wrote: post #18
capableweb wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the debate of hardware vs software continues! It's true that if you just compare the costs, it might be cheaper to go the software route. But I mainly make music to go away from the computer, as I spend a lot of my days programming on one already. And the ability of pulling me away from the computer you can't put a price on :) Plus, fiddling with real knobs that affect the sound in real-time, having a keyboard wi…

In hardware terms, it's the same price as a Yamaha Montage. The OP-1 isn't good value for money no matter how you look at it.

Sorry, didn't want to give the impression that the OP-1 (original or this one) is good money spent, because that I don't think. The price of this (+ the rest of their products) are wildly over-priced. I was more talking about the whole software VS hardware side of things.

If I had $2000 to throw around, I'd buy a Syntakt + Digitone/Digitakt instead and get a setup that could do whatever I want + more.

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Post by bambax »

capableweb wrote: post #17
chaosprint wrote: post #13

It looks nice and I may consider buying one for research purpose. But I know the price tag can be quite high for many. Maybe that's partially the reason that I believe free and open-source software is a form or music democratisation. I would like to invite those who are interested in this idea to try my live coding project in the browser: https://glicol.org I have been taking this project to different workshops and t…

Talking about making it easier to write music and then linking to a programming language for making music feels a bit weird. Yes, hardware is a barrier for sure, but a even larger barrier would be to put it behind a complicated programming language. If we really want to "democratize music tech" (whatever that means), then I think things like the Korg Volcas are much closer to achieving that. Cheaper than most compute…

I disagree. I think there is room for both. I own two Volcas, and don't use them much unfortunately.

The problem with hardware is it's extremely difficult, or downright impossible, to save state.

On a physical modular synth, the only way to remember what you did is to write it down or (maybe) take pictures. On a virtual modular synth all you have to do is Save As.

I'm sure OP-1 can save its patches, but that doesn't address the problem of the whole chain, or backups.

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Post by varispeed »

import wrote: post #19

I have mixed feelings about OP1. It’s like a cave man jam toy but also something capable of creating accidental awesomeness. 2000$ is questionable. I wonder what we will see in the sponsored YouTube videos.

Product development of such calibre is expensive, especially given the volatility of the supply chains today. $2000 given what you get is a bargain. Mind you, it's not a product being manufactured at scale like mobile phones. The cost of development of the enclosure alone must have taken several mortgages ;-)

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Post by capableweb »

bambax wrote: post #27
capableweb wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talking about making it easier to write music and then linking to a programming language for making music feels a bit weird. Yes, hardware is a barrier for sure, but a even larger barrier would be to put it behind a complicated programming language. If we really want to "democratize music tech" (whatever that means), then I think things like the Korg Volcas are much closer to achieving that. Cheaper than most compute…

I disagree. I think there is room for both. I own two Volcas, and don't use them much unfortunately. The problem with hardware is it's extremely difficult, or downright impossible, to save state. On a physical modular synth, the only way to remember what you did is to write it down or (maybe) take pictures. On a virtual modular synth all you have to do is Save As. I'm sure OP-1 can save its patches, but that doesn't…

Eh, that's not at all true. Being able to recall state is something that has been solved for a long time, but not all synths have that functionality, I'll give you that.

As two examples of synths I own that can do this:

- Moog Sirin supports Program Change MIDI messages, so I save the state of the current settings via MIDI on my Octatrack, and can recall that same state whenever I want without touching the hardware of the Sirin

- Novation Summit allows you to save patches with your own name + putting it in a category. Recalling the same patch is a matter of turning the knob until you arrive there.

Not sure how you arrived to the conclusion that saving state is "extremely difficult, or downright impossible".

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