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Qaddafi Is Dead, Libyan Officials Say

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Re: Qaddafi Is Dead, Libyan Officials Say

#31
post #7

Somewhat sad to see that they killed that guy. Having him testify in Den Hague could have provided very interesting insights on how corrupt the so called "democratic" governments really are.

Bush, Blair, Berlusconi, Sarkozy etc. Pretty sure too many people like these would be shamed by this lunatic. Maybe it's best that he died, the world wants to keep its heroes.

Re: Qaddafi Is Dead, Libyan Officials Say

#32
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have that backwards, it should be: "I'm an isolationist, which is why I think the Middle East is uncivilized." Also, politicians pandering to various religious communities happens all the time in America. Let's not pretend it is different because the people are brown and the word "God" is pronounced differently. Shame on you.

My definition of "civilization" is a society "ruled by law" and something approaching a "democracy". I can't think of a country in the Middle East remotely qualifying -- maybe Israel. Trying to equate "religious pandering" in the US to the various REAL theocracies and military juntas that inhabit the Mideast is "shame"ful.

That's the whole point - "your" definition. There are billions of people in the world, any many of them disagree with your definition. Pretending your definition is the only definition is the height of egotism, and I wish that we as a people, could understand that and have sympathy and constructive conversations about the future.

Re: Qaddafi Is Dead, Libyan Officials Say

#34
post #3

To quote Andrew Sullivan: To rid the world of Osama bin Laden, Anwar al-Awlaki and Moammar Qaddafi within six months: if Obama were a Republican, he'd be on Mount Rushmore by now.

Amazing the shift of perspective...

How many who voted for Obama (or at least against John McCain) would expect their vote would elect a President who would violate the sovereignty of Pakistan with a special forces operation, murder an American citizen without due process, and enter into armed conflict with Libya without the consultation of Congress and eventually assassinate a sitting head of state?

Re: Qaddafi Is Dead, Libyan Officials Say

#35
post #9

I guess it's okay that he's dead, but I'm concerned about the way he was killed. A bunch of soldiers ran into his house, stripped him, dragged him through the streets, and shot him at some point. That is some Trojan War shit. I'm still not convinced that the Middle East is civilized... which is why I'm an isolationist. I'm not very reassured by this quote from the transitional government spokesperson: “We were seriou…

I believe that Libyans are by and large a civilized, reasonable people (just like Iranians, Iraqis etc) but if anyone in the West thinks that the rebel army is made up of regular, work-a-day Libyan lawyers, doctors, teachers and other civilians... then the media did a great job at spinning this one.

So who are they then? Are they supported by those people in the country?

Re: Qaddafi Is Dead, Libyan Officials Say

#36
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps that Nobel Peace Prize was a bit premature. I would rather Qaddafi had been brought to trial and punished accordingly.

I wonder if someone should me punished accordantly when launching someone's country an atomic bomb. No punishment, just history... Everything a bliss.

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Re: Qaddafi Is Dead, Libyan Officials Say

#37
post #27

Do I see a pattern emerge -- sitting on a large oil reserve and not "cooperating" with right people is detrimental to one's well-being.

Pattern? This civil war wouldn’t have been won by the revolutionaries without support from NATO but there still would have been a civil war. This civil war was not faked by NATO, it was very real – and all things considered the right side won.

If the people in some other Arabic countries did the same thing we would be bombing their ruler's palaces?

Re: Qaddafi Is Dead, Libyan Officials Say

#38
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My definition of "civilization" is a society "ruled by law" and something approaching a "democracy". I can't think of a country in the Middle East remotely qualifying -- maybe Israel. Trying to equate "religious pandering" in the US to the various REAL theocracies and military juntas that inhabit the Mideast is "shame"ful.

That's the whole point - "your" definition. There are billions of people in the world, any many of them disagree with your definition. Pretending your definition is the only definition is the height of egotism, and I wish that we as a people, could understand that and have sympathy and constructive conversations about the future.

Implying the OP is racist doesn't seem that constructive.

Re: Qaddafi Is Dead, Libyan Officials Say

#39
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have that backwards, it should be: "I'm an isolationist, which is why I think the Middle East is uncivilized." Also, politicians pandering to various religious communities happens all the time in America. Let's not pretend it is different because the people are brown and the word "God" is pronounced differently. Shame on you.

My definition of "civilization" is a society "ruled by law" and something approaching a "democracy". I can't think of a country in the Middle East remotely qualifying -- maybe Israel. Trying to equate "religious pandering" in the US to the various REAL theocracies and military juntas that inhabit the Mideast is "shame"ful.

So Ancient Rome, France during the Renaissance, and feudal Japan weren't civilized?

Re: Qaddafi Is Dead, Libyan Officials Say

#40
post #7

Somewhat sad to see that they killed that guy. Having him testify in Den Hague could have provided very interesting insights on how corrupt the so called "democratic" governments really are.

Bush, Blair, Berlusconi, Sarkozy etc. Pretty sure too many people like these would be shamed by this lunatic. Maybe it's best that he died, the world wants to keep its heroes.

You might like the german satire magazine Titanic's recent image: http://www.titanic-magazin.de/postkarten.html?&card=1414...

"Grief about Gaddafi" "He lives on in the hearts of his friends"

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