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Qaddafi Is Dead, Libyan Officials Say

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Re: Qaddafi Is Dead, Libyan Officials Say

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To quote Andrew Sullivan: To rid the world of Osama bin Laden, Anwar al-Awlaki and Moammar Qaddafi within six months: if Obama were a Republican, he'd be on Mount Rushmore by now.

Perhaps that Nobel Peace Prize was a bit premature. I would rather Qaddafi had been brought to trial and punished accordingly.

I wonder if someone should me punished accordantly when launching someone's country an atomic bomb.

No punishment, just history...

Everything a bliss.

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The mood here is very gloomy. Back when they kicked out Ben Ali and Mubarak there was celebration on HN. I guess you're not really a dictator unless you're an ally of the US, huh?

It’s easier to be more joyful and optimistic about peaceful (or at least more peaceful) revolutions.

I hope yours is the correct explanation. Nevertheless, I get the feeling that many Americans for some reason sympathize with anti-Americanist foreign leaders, even if their own people consider them ruthless dictators. (I'm not American, btw.)

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post #3

To quote Andrew Sullivan: To rid the world of Osama bin Laden, Anwar al-Awlaki and Moammar Qaddafi within six months: if Obama were a Republican, he'd be on Mount Rushmore by now.

Perhaps that Nobel Peace Prize was a bit premature. I would rather Qaddafi had been brought to trial and punished accordingly.

I would rather that he had been brought to trial, but I think he was punished accordingly.

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Somewhat sad to see that they killed that guy. Having him testify in Den Hague could have provided very interesting insights on how corrupt the so called "democratic" governments really are.

He would've never been brought to the ICC. The NTC made it clear that they were planning on trying him in Libya if he was captured. And that would almost certainly have ended with an execution anyway.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s easier to be more joyful and optimistic about peaceful (or at least more peaceful) revolutions.

I hope yours is the correct explanation. Nevertheless, I get the feeling that many Americans for some reason sympathize with anti-Americanist foreign leaders, even if their own people consider them ruthless dictators. (I'm not American, btw.)

I have never really encountered anyone in the west who sympathizes with Qaddafi. I think his ruthlessness is pretty much consensus.

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I guess it's okay that he's dead, but I'm concerned about the way he was killed. A bunch of soldiers ran into his house, stripped him, dragged him through the streets, and shot him at some point. That is some Trojan War shit. I'm still not convinced that the Middle East is civilized... which is why I'm an isolationist. I'm not very reassured by this quote from the transitional government spokesperson: “We were seriou…

You have that backwards, it should be: "I'm an isolationist, which is why I think the Middle East is uncivilized."

Also, politicians pandering to various religious communities happens all the time in America. Let's not pretend it is different because the people are brown and the word "God" is pronounced differently.

Shame on you.

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Do I see a pattern emerge -- sitting on a large oil reserve and not "cooperating" with right people is detrimental to one's well-being.

Pattern? This civil war wouldn’t have been won by the revolutionaries without support from NATO but there still would have been a civil war. This civil war was not faked by NATO, it was very real – and all things considered the right side won.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s easier to be more joyful and optimistic about peaceful (or at least more peaceful) revolutions.

I hope yours is the correct explanation. Nevertheless, I get the feeling that many Americans for some reason sympathize with anti-Americanist foreign leaders, even if their own people consider them ruthless dictators. (I'm not American, btw.)

The sympathizing I've seen and sometimes feel is more along the lines of the US not admitting its own evil doing and how its actions cause lots of blowback that just hurts the country more. Then as with other comments here, it's annoying and disturbing that we've gotten in the habit of just killing people we don't like. It's a contrast to Saddam, whom we captured and gave a trial to, as well as interviewed for some interesting information (at the very least of historical interest). Read the transcript for the interview sometime; he may have been corrupt but he wasn't stupid.

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To quote Andrew Sullivan: To rid the world of Osama bin Laden, Anwar al-Awlaki and Moammar Qaddafi within six months: if Obama were a Republican, he'd be on Mount Rushmore by now.

What shocks me most is that none of these (despicable) people lived to be taken to trial. Odd that the western world seems so comfortable with blood.

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I guess it's okay that he's dead, but I'm concerned about the way he was killed. A bunch of soldiers ran into his house, stripped him, dragged him through the streets, and shot him at some point. That is some Trojan War shit. I'm still not convinced that the Middle East is civilized... which is why I'm an isolationist. I'm not very reassured by this quote from the transitional government spokesperson: “We were seriou…

You have that backwards, it should be: "I'm an isolationist, which is why I think the Middle East is uncivilized." Also, politicians pandering to various religious communities happens all the time in America. Let's not pretend it is different because the people are brown and the word "God" is pronounced differently. Shame on you.

My definition of "civilization" is a society "ruled by law" and something approaching a "democracy". I can't think of a country in the Middle East remotely qualifying -- maybe Israel.

Trying to equate "religious pandering" in the US to the various REAL theocracies and military juntas that inhabit the Mideast is "shame"ful.

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