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Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Didn't Russia already ban Facebook? What's the point of this legal game?

You don’t have to be on Facebook to live in a world affected by it unfortunately

Correct. Ask any kid bullied by classmates in private groups. FWIW one of the best things I ever did was delete my Facebook account.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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post #7

Didn't Russia already ban Facebook? What's the point of this legal game?

Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked. It's like: Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

> It's like:

> Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes.

> Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

That's entirely consistent. It just means (from their perspective) Twitter is for externally-facing propaganda.

IIRC, nationalist Chinese diplomats, the Global Times editor, etc. are all active on Twitter for the same reason.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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You are correct. "We won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," says Meta. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/11/facebook-... They define credible as: having two "indicators of credibility", such as location or method. That is a considerably higher bar than for any other group. And that's referring to civilians, not soldiers. In a separate, internal memo, they explicitly say that…

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked. It's like: Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

Pretty sure Russia took responsibility for the hospital but my understanding is Russia claims their intelligence was 1.) it was no longer a functioning hospital and 2.) used as a base of operations for the fascist Azov Battalion... not that it didn't happen.

They claimed they did not destroy the hospital at first and then shifted to calling it an Azov base afaik.

Just like Lavrov yesterday claimed Russia hasn't actually invaded Ukraine.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Persecution complex is in high gear in Russian media, they obviously aren't going to give the full context of Facebook's position. But if you are western in this site or Russian curious enough to be here, let's drop the idea that it's all Russophobia and Westerners hating all Russians. No one here believes you and it's all seemed pretty clear that everything is happening strictly in response to what is happening in U…

> let's drop the idea that it's all Russophobia and Westerners hating all Russians

I’ve transformed from a Putin critic / Russia advocate to a full-blown Russia hawk in the last *checks calendar* two weeks. But even I can see some people conflating the Russian state with the Russian people.

This isn’t an argument against debilitating sanctions. They should be ratcheted up to energy, and start looking at Chinese complicity, too. But I’ve seen (albeit limited) calls for boycotting Russian restaurants in America, which is pretty close to anti-Russian sentiment. (Of course, that sentiment is reactionary. It never existed prior to the invasion. I’m not sure its backers could name their local Russian, or for that matter Ukrainian, restaurant.)

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked. It's like: Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

> Should we keep posting Russian proganda on Twitter? Also yes. Well, that propaganda is for foreign audiences. This is 100% consistent. You can believe the game is rigged, but still be forced to play.

Note, this is exactly as true of Chinese media/propaganda (CGTN etc). They are all over Tiktok, Twitter, Youtube, Facebook etc... but if you see someone posting from there, you can assume that it is likely state sponsored. It is illegal for a national to use a VPN to access those sites, and dangerous to do so if it upsets anyone in power.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

#38

With all this banning of western media, social media and pornography websites looks like Russian citizens may end up being the most well adjusted and happy people on the planet.

Vk is full of pirated porn movies, it s the one thing they won't miss

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked. It's like: Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

Is banning effective? Can’t you just hop on a VPN and be done with it? Do they block that too?

It's effective enough

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform.

There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

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