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Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Humans remain humans. Blame the systems that amplify extreme voices.

People are responsible for their own behavior and can make choices. You can make choices. They aren't victims of systems.

True but I doubt you’re as immune to persuasion and logical fallacies as your comment suggests. The point remains that we’re all human and will make many mistakes in our lifetime. Our circumstances are a huge part of that.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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> In what population does polio spread, the unnvacinnated or the vaccinated? In what population are you exposed to it? This is all so weird. An explanation of how I understand it: Polio definitely spreads in the unvaccinated. If you've given the IPV vaccine, you can later be infected and spread polio (with a little less likelihood), but won't become sick. If you're given the OPV vaccine, you eventually will have ster…

Weren't there vaccine derived polio cases from the OPV in Pakistan?

Perhaps -- the parent explicitly points out that this is a possibility.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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You might wonder how polio gets reintroduced into Israel or anywhere else. The polio vaccines we currently use are imperfect. The oral vaccine is a weakened form but it mutates in the neighborhood of one in a million cases to become effectively wild polio and some years this accounts for most of the poliomyelitis cases. On the other hand, the fully inactivated injected vaccine is non-sterilizing: it prevents poliomye…

Is this where mRNA vaccines can be useful?

There already are effective polio vaccines.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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> people no longer have the education I'm pretty sure we're better educated than any time in human history. EDIT: Thinking about it, I would guess that we don't have as much humanities education as the prior generation (because it's been devalued), and humanities are what address the questions and problems plaguing our society, the big ones that are too complex to yield to scientific method or algorithms.

Education is more than just access to information.

Agreed, but I would guess that humans have more education that at any time in history.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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People are responsible for their own behavior and can make choices. You can make choices. They aren't victims of systems.

Some choices are far too complex for most people to grasp. Some choices require a sense of civic duty and common will.

> Some choices are far too complex for most people to grasp. Some choices require a sense of civic duty and common will.

The results show that humans do a pretty good job and do advance, and do have civic duty (I don't know what "common will" means). IME, the problem is the people who make choices like refusing vaccines and then say humanity is fundamentally incompentent. They have an easy solution!

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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This isn't only a matter of antivaxers. If you're in a country in which Polio has been eradicated, such as the US, double check that you're vaccinated. Various vaccines are no longer recommended because of the virtually nonexistent risk.

I know that Africans receive the TB vaccine as part of our regular schedule, where many developed countries do not.

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