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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by 0_____0 »

askura wrote: post #13
jedberg wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before when his posts got on the front page his own comments section would fill up with people who don't agree with him. He did not like this, so he made it slightly more difficult to see his content so that most people would just give up. Basically he only wants people who agree with him to read and respond to his content.

Pretty sad way to live your life to be honest. Healthy discussion and reflection is what stops you turning into a pillock and more people need it.

Ehhh, I get it. HN in aggregate has an oddly specific mindset that is honestly grating at times. I come here because I don't mind it that much, but I can imagine JWZ getting a fuckton of inbounds from HN, going "nope fuck that" and setting up a redirect.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by mrpopo »

tqi wrote: post #21
colejohnson66 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone know why they block HN referral requests?

Because he has enough money to look down his nose at people he perceives to be motivated by money?

Rather, I would bet that his stance is that if you are motivated by something else than money, you shouldn't go through VC-backed funds to build your business, because sooner or later someone will squeeze as much money as possible out of your business. I'm thinking of Bandcamp as the most recent example, because there is no doubt that they had good intentions and a real vision, but there are many out there.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by JohnTHaller »

perihelions wrote: post #18
JohnTHaller wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better to disable than spoof. Lots of CDNs and download mirrors are configured to allow blank ones (so techie folks can access) but disallow unapproved existing referrers (to prevent leeching bandwidth).

Yes, but Firefox' spoofing option that I linked sends the target URL as a self-referrer, which is benign. It's the same behavior as navigating internal links.

Not when going between sub-domains. dns.example.com will usually only allow referrers of either blank or example.com.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by hunterb123 »

ZYinMD wrote: post #29
RobertMiller wrote: post #2

With luck it will take them a few more years to figure out that yt-dlp and other forks with derivative names exist.

I switched to yt-dlp a few months ago, under the impression that youtube-dl was no longer maintained? At least for youtube purposes, at least for the one crucial issue that forced me to switch. I forgot what the issue was, but it had several PRs sitting there for months and nobody was gonna merge it.

What wasn't maintained for you?

In that I mean what feature was missing or broken for you?

As software gets more stable, updates should be less frequent.

I'm not a fan of feature creep in the name of progress.

I am a fan of options though, so if there was an necessity for a fork I support it.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by icelancer »

roastedpeacock wrote: post #25
md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

> The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: Can not reply with the entire situation but I would not be surprised if Google does not care enough to stop the project through other means but tries to reduce mindless zombie-bots from sucking up bandwidth all day long. If…

>> If you have access to a fast connection you may notice even the web player is throttled sometimes.

This has been happening more and more recently - seriously slow playback when my Internet access is still ~1gbps on all other sites including fast.com/netflix, or Google Drive.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by icelancer »

askura wrote: post #13
jedberg wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before when his posts got on the front page his own comments section would fill up with people who don't agree with him. He did not like this, so he made it slightly more difficult to see his content so that most people would just give up. Basically he only wants people who agree with him to read and respond to his content.

Pretty sad way to live your life to be honest. Healthy discussion and reflection is what stops you turning into a pillock and more people need it.

If JWZ was the one submitting content here, I'd agree. But people are linking his stuff here and then talking negatively about him (or so he perceives), and I don't see what's wrong with making it harder to do that. Doesn't speak highly of his maturity level, but whatever, it's his site.

EDIT: I don't even agree with his political viewpoints; in fact I'm close to polar opposite. But I get it.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by gurchik »

hunterb123 wrote: post #34
ZYinMD wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to yt-dlp a few months ago, under the impression that youtube-dl was no longer maintained? At least for youtube purposes, at least for the one crucial issue that forced me to switch. I forgot what the issue was, but it had several PRs sitting there for months and nobody was gonna merge it.

What wasn't maintained for you? In that I mean what feature was missing or broken for you? As software gets more stable, updates should be less frequent. I'm not a fan of feature creep in the name of progress. I am a fan of options though, so if there was an necessity for a fork I support it.

> As software gets more stable, updates should be less frequent.

But a project like youtube-dl needs frequent updates, because otherwise it'll stop working after an update from Google.

I'm not the parent, but the "a few months ago" timeline makes me think they switched to yt-dlp in December 2021 when youtube-dl did not work for a few days after it broke due to a change from Google. There were PRs quickly made to fix the issue (some of which actually predated the breakage if I remember correctly) but no one was around to merge them for a few days. This is also the time the project's maintainer officially became inactive[1].

1: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/commit/21b759057502c6...

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by Lascaille »

snek_case wrote: post #22
Lascaille wrote: post #10

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>I read his blog sometimes and all too often come away feeling disgusted. The comments sections are all echo chambers and his dialog on certain sociopolitical issues (recently, vaccine passports) is nothing short of fascist. I used to read it frequently and enjoyed it, especially around the time he was setting up DNA lounge. Then after a while I started to notice this odd regression, as in, day by day it seemed to ge…

> Something really weird is happening to a lot of people and I just don't get it. It isn't happening to me, so why is it happening to them? Could it be that the social isolation from covid is aggravating underlying mental health issues? Completely speculation follows, but if this guy was a club owner, then he may have gone from a very active social life where people basically worship him to having financial troubles…

It's to do with social media, and the internet in general.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by heinrich5991 »

hunterb123 wrote: post #34
ZYinMD wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to yt-dlp a few months ago, under the impression that youtube-dl was no longer maintained? At least for youtube purposes, at least for the one crucial issue that forced me to switch. I forgot what the issue was, but it had several PRs sitting there for months and nobody was gonna merge it.

What wasn't maintained for you? In that I mean what feature was missing or broken for you? As software gets more stable, updates should be less frequent. I'm not a fan of feature creep in the name of progress. I am a fan of options though, so if there was an necessity for a fork I support it.

>What wasn't maintained for you?

>In that I mean what feature was missing or broken for you?

youtube-dl got throttled, it took ages to download videos from Youtube.

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