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Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

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Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

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Wait, this is the same country that has government-enforced weight and size restrictions to ensure people are not fat? (look up metabo law)

Intelligent and proactive governance that understands nuance i think. Not every healthcare issue can be tackled the same way.

Thanks for the info. I had no idea they had a metabo law. The law appears to be egosyntonic with their culture.

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

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> Other nations would do well to follow Japan’s lead [...]. This policy appropriately places the responsibility for this healthcare decision with the individual or family. I'm sorry, no. This only works in countries like Japan.

Wrong. Facts don’t care about counties, politics, or culture. Japan is following the facts, most others are following fear and or corruption. Every country needs to adopt Japan’s policy and attitude towards covid, full stop.

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would never work as well in America. Voluntary measures tend to work well in places where people have a reasonable trust in their government, scientific and medical authorities etc. When the government of Japan says "Please get vaccinated of your own decision, understanding both the effectiveness in preventing infectious diseases and the risk of side effects. No vaccination will be given without consent.", they ca…

I did before the CDC waffled on mask guidance. I know why they did it, but it seriously hurt credibility for a whole lot of folks and will have long term ramifications. It became something to latch onto, and it was obvious almost immediately as it happened. If the Republicans were pro-vaccination, the numbers would change overnight. The reason they're not is because the establishment threatened the ego of Trump, and…

I was pretty horrified, watching from overseas, as a lot of the covid stuff turned into a partisan R/D points-scoring exercise.

Our politicians in the UK are pretty damned incompetent, arrogant and nakedly self-interested. But to their credit they didn't turn much of it into a party-political exercise.

They f*cked it up in so many other ways though!

(I am now resident elsewhere and glad to be off plague island)

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

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post #25
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Wait, this is the same country that has government-enforced weight and size restrictions to ensure people are not fat? (look up metabo law)

You get weighed and measured every year as part of the medical but there are no consequences for being fat. There may be a few notes on the report if your BMI is abnormal (by Japanese standards) but these are for you alone.

I just read there are indirect consequences. The employers and regional governments are financially penalized if their employees or citizens are too fat. Is that true?

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

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> Other nations would do well to follow Japan’s lead [...]. This policy appropriately places the responsibility for this healthcare decision with the individual or family. I'm sorry, no. This only works in countries like Japan.

It's supposed to work in America, one of the freest countries in the world that prides itself in personal liberty. After all, it's a country where anyone can say just about anything and also carry a gun. (If we fix our stance on drugs, stop interfering with women's rights, and get our policing in check, we'll be pretty much on track for being a perfect place for the individualist.) The far left and far right are both…

This ‘two-siding’ approach is exactly what the media does and normalizes radical actions as a ruse for freedom. But there is no equivalent, one side is on the side of public health, the other is promoting practices that put people in danger under the disguise of freedoms. History will not treat those who forgo science kindly. To claim we are to stop hating implies the left must forgo science to appease the radical right. That is a false choice. Japan is able to do this because their people are considerate, mask wearing, public health followers… they don’t question science, or paint public health mandates as political theater. There is no scientific consensus that backs the anti masking, anti vax approach. The political theater created by the right is just plain stupidity and has no basis or consideration for the public health. Bending our policies to appease an approach that endangers all is not American. What’s next? Unban dangerous pesticides or start putting lead in our water because of a stupid political view? GTFAH

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's supposed to work in America, one of the freest countries in the world that prides itself in personal liberty. After all, it's a country where anyone can say just about anything and also carry a gun. (If we fix our stance on drugs, stop interfering with women's rights, and get our policing in check, we'll be pretty much on track for being a perfect place for the individualist.) The far left and far right are both…

"Far-left liberal" is an oxymoron. Liberalism is an economically right-wing, pro-capitalist ideology (this part is incompatible with leftism!), that is socially liberal (this part isn't). In the US, due to the two-party system, liberals and leftists are forced to share a party, but that doesn't mean they want the same things.

If someone says "far left" or "far right" in America I usually interpret them talking about political culture rather than policy.

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

#37
post #2

> Other nations would do well to follow Japan’s lead [...]. This policy appropriately places the responsibility for this healthcare decision with the individual or family. I'm sorry, no. This only works in countries like Japan.

I agree

How many people in Japan voluntarily used masks before Covid again?

How many cases of people protesting the use of them in Japan has there been?

Personal responsibility works well in countries where people don't think a virus has a political leaning and where people have a modicum of consideration for their fellow citizens.

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

#38
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would never work as well in America. Voluntary measures tend to work well in places where people have a reasonable trust in their government, scientific and medical authorities etc. When the government of Japan says "Please get vaccinated of your own decision, understanding both the effectiveness in preventing infectious diseases and the risk of side effects. No vaccination will be given without consent.", they ca…

That's putting things pretty charitably for a society that pushes conformity to the point of it being fairly unhealthy. Japanese peoples' trust in govt for 2020 was actually less than that of the US's. Their vaccination rates are more likely due to their community-oriented culture rather than their trust in government officials. https://data.oecd.org/gga/trust-in-government.htm

Interesting...

Thanks for that link, though I find it a little bit ambiguous that the measure is trust but the question asked is "In this country, do you have confidence in… national government?", which I think is slightly different to what I was alluding to which is trust in the motives of government.

For instance I trust the motives of the health establishment in the UK, but I have considerably less confidence that I will get the best outcomes from it.

Does that make sense? I wonder if it applies here and people in Japan are not confident in the ability of their government to deliver good outcomes. Whereas in the US a significant number question the motives.

Or I could just be wrong :) Always worth entertaining that possibility.

Yes, the community-oriented culture thing seems like a great explanation.

Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

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> Other nations would do well to follow Japan’s lead In English we have the adage, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." In Japan there is the adage, "The tall nail gets pounded down." People in the US aren't declining the vaccine because they are told to. They are declining the vaccine because of misinformation and tribalism.

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Re: Japan’s Vaccination Policy: No Force, No Discrimination

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post #29
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would never work as well in America. Voluntary measures tend to work well in places where people have a reasonable trust in their government, scientific and medical authorities etc. When the government of Japan says "Please get vaccinated of your own decision, understanding both the effectiveness in preventing infectious diseases and the risk of side effects. No vaccination will be given without consent.", they ca…

I did before the CDC waffled on mask guidance. I know why they did it, but it seriously hurt credibility for a whole lot of folks and will have long term ramifications. It became something to latch onto, and it was obvious almost immediately as it happened. If the Republicans were pro-vaccination, the numbers would change overnight. The reason they're not is because the establishment threatened the ego of Trump, and…

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