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Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail

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Post by Jansen312 »

codetrotter wrote: post #3

It’s a sad situation, email today. I ran my own self hosted email for close to a decade but finally gave up on it because mail that I send gets flagged as spam every now and then and I also received a ton of spam. Those two things were eating away my time. And either way, basically everyone who I correspond with use third party mail hosting so it’s not like it did much good that I was self hosting it anyway. Email as…

Payment. Every emailed sent needs a payment token. Maybe like a few cents similar to postage. If your reputations got screwed because doing spamish activities, rates go up cost say 1 dollar per email. Each sender must have verified account just like FB that maps to your national IDs. Over night spam will plunge. Of course getting this implemented across the world would be impossible. We could wage war with any countries that refuse to participate...just like any countires wishing to undermine USD. So to summarize, just live with it. Nothing can be done without you sacrificing something dear to you. Spam is a minor nuisance we all can tolerate.

Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail

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Post by eloeffler »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #22
technofiend wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I gave up on my domain registered back when an ISDN 64k channel was a viable internet connection, partly because the amount of inbound email spam was absurd. The spammers ruined email long before Gmail was a thing.

I see a dozen spam emails per day at most, there are weeks when I do not see spam at all. This is not a big price to pay for independence. The rest is caught by spamassassin. I retrained it several years ago last time. Sometimes I miss being part of a larger network of email providers that share spam signatures, but not enough to start searching.

That sucks. All I can say us that I run spamassassin and never lose mails. I receive some marketing on my info@ and webmaster@ aliases, mostly for SEO. But fortunately there isn't much coming in. I use custom aliases for registrations and such so I can notify the source in case my associated mail address with them is being spammed. But that rarely happens. I've never had to block an address, spam always stopped coming in after 2-3 mails when it leaked from somewhere.

It's probably good not to have html / load external media enabled. Makes the address seem inactive because tracking mechanisms won't work (e.g. tracking pixels [1].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_beacon

Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail

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Post by jart »

3np wrote: post #26
technofiend wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I gave up on my domain registered back when an ISDN 64k channel was a viable internet connection, partly because the amount of inbound email spam was absurd. The spammers ruined email long before Gmail was a thing.

One vital thing is to not put your email address in clear-text online, especially heavily indexed sites. The moment I had a real email address end up in the AUTHORS file of nodejs, that address is now a spamhole. Domain is otherwise fine. Another can be buying a new domain that (perhaps purely coincidentally) that has already made the rounds into spammers dbs.

That's a good way to make sure only spammers can contact you. I don't conceal my email address and I get at least a thousand spam emails per day. If it lets one good stranger contact me per day then it's worth it. Being a Gmail early adopter, I also get so many emails due to typos or incorrectly filled out forms where people are trying to contact someone with a similar name. It's interesting to learn about what people who share my last name are doing.

Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail

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Post by jokoon »

I wish it was possible to let users manually white list domains.

Emails could contain some form of standard header to ask users if they want to white list/add an address to their contact list, and other emails would be down as default.

I know email is a good protocol, but reading email headers made my eyes bleed.

Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail

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Post by fogihujy »

lambada wrote: post #25
5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a dozen spam emails per day Jesus Lord. I don't receive that much email in a week, legitimate plus spam combined. I get what you're saying about independence, but using your own domain and pointing MX to any decent email service gets you 90% there with way less pain IMHO.

How much of that difference is because your external email provider is silently swallowing the most egregious spam such that you don’t even realise they’ve done so? I suspect the folks who run their own are monitoring all the email with none being missed from their stats.

This. Most inbox providers filter a lot of mail -- spam as well as occasional legitimate email -- without the recipients ever finding out.

Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail

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Post by superasn »

codetrotter wrote: post #3

It’s a sad situation, email today. I ran my own self hosted email for close to a decade but finally gave up on it because mail that I send gets flagged as spam every now and then and I also received a ton of spam. Those two things were eating away my time. And either way, basically everyone who I correspond with use third party mail hosting so it’s not like it did much good that I was self hosting it anyway. Email as…

>But what can we do?

You're definitely right about that. I remember back in the day of Slashdot whenever somebody posted a solution to fixing spam this used to a default reply (1) and it was pretty hard to refute.

(1) https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt

Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail

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Post by dTal »

jacquesm wrote: post #29

And at the same time there is an uptick in obvious spam that gmail mistakenly classifies as ham. Recent example: --- From: linda bartony Hi jacquesmattheij Team, Hope you are doing well. My experts were analyzing your website and found that your website is not handling recent updates from search engines. It’s a fact that having a website won’t make you bring in visitors. If you do not get higher search visibility, ra…

> the origin is gmail so it must be good. Meanwhile, I can't reliably send mail from my own email server to my gmail account without it routinely being classified as spam.

This sounds like an anti-competition filter rather than a spam filter.

Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail

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Post by dTal »

codetrotter wrote: post #3

It’s a sad situation, email today. I ran my own self hosted email for close to a decade but finally gave up on it because mail that I send gets flagged as spam every now and then and I also received a ton of spam. Those two things were eating away my time. And either way, basically everyone who I correspond with use third party mail hosting so it’s not like it did much good that I was self hosting it anyway. Email as…

>But what can we do?

Bring a class action antitrust suit to Google?

Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

eloeffler wrote: post #32
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see a dozen spam emails per day at most, there are weeks when I do not see spam at all. This is not a big price to pay for independence. The rest is caught by spamassassin. I retrained it several years ago last time. Sometimes I miss being part of a larger network of email providers that share spam signatures, but not enough to start searching.

That sucks. All I can say us that I run spamassassin and never lose mails. I receive some marketing on my info@ and webmaster@ aliases, mostly for SEO. But fortunately there isn't much coming in. I use custom aliases for registrations and such so I can notify the source in case my associated mail address with them is being spammed. But that rarely happens. I've never had to block an address, spam always stopped comin…

Using mutt to read mail definitely helps.

Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail

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Post by jacquesm »

dTal wrote: post #37
jacquesm wrote: post #29

And at the same time there is an uptick in obvious spam that gmail mistakenly classifies as ham. Recent example: --- From: linda bartony Hi jacquesmattheij Team, Hope you are doing well. My experts were analyzing your website and found that your website is not handling recent updates from search engines. It’s a fact that having a website won’t make you bring in visitors. If you do not get higher search visibility, ra…

> the origin is gmail so it must be good. Meanwhile, I can't reliably send mail from my own email server to my gmail account without it routinely being classified as spam. This sounds like an anti-competition filter rather than a spam filter.

At some level that is probably true.
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