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Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by walterbell »

jjeaff wrote: post #22
landemva wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'all evidence points at the treatment being better than the disease'. I had it and have Dr. letter that says so. I now have sterilizing immunity. The jab does not provide sterilizing immunity, so it is not better for me nor my family. I am not jabbed, and will not get jabbed. While I am just one, I invalidate your use of the word 'all'.

I have seen little evidence that having previously had COVID gives you sterilizing immunity. Some evidence it gives you better immunity than the vaccine but now more evidence coming out that points to the vaccine being better.

Here are 100+ studies to that effect, https://brownstone.org/articles/79-research-studies-affirm-n...

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by throw8932894 »

Well, kick them out then. Refuses to sign a waiver and get shot? Asylum denied!

My government demands vaccinations under heavy fines. Unvaccinated people can not even enter country. Why should anyone be treated differently? It is question of life and death after all.

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by emilfihlman »

sonicggg wrote: post #11

I see a lot of complaints of people about the fact that Pfizer required legal immunity against side effects. This is a must for any vaccine manufacturer, otherwise the vaccine is just not commercially feasible. That's what killed Lymerix, and why we don't have Lyme disease vaccine anymore. If the government does not back it up, the manufacturer won't stand a chance. Even if the vaccine has a good safety profile, a 0.…

This is absolutely not true, and has not been true before Covid.

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by nfreising »

throw8932894 wrote: post #32

Well, kick them out then. Refuses to sign a waiver and get shot? Asylum denied! My government demands vaccinations under heavy fines. Unvaccinated people can not even enter country. Why should anyone be treated differently? It is question of life and death after all.

Have you read the article? This is not about people not willing to get vaccinated but about pharmaceutical companies wanting legal protection by a government authority. Also this seems to affect mostly displaced people in poorer countries (e.g. Afghan refugees in Iran), which is not comparable to asylum seekers in your (I suppose rather wealthy) home country.

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by bsjks »

sonicggg wrote: post #11

I see a lot of complaints of people about the fact that Pfizer required legal immunity against side effects. This is a must for any vaccine manufacturer, otherwise the vaccine is just not commercially feasible. That's what killed Lymerix, and why we don't have Lyme disease vaccine anymore. If the government does not back it up, the manufacturer won't stand a chance. Even if the vaccine has a good safety profile, a 0.…

All of this only begins to be a problem when 1) discussion about side effects is constantly shut down and 2) you force people to take the vaccine against their will.

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by waihtis »

pas wrote: post #27
waihtis wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fine, but now we have two extra phenomena with the COVID vaccine: 1) Discussion about vaccine side effects, efficacy rates, etc. is being actively censored (e.g. Twitter's ridiculous post censorship policy) 2) Governments pushing for a mandatory vaccine If one doesn't think this creates a very dangerous precedent one does not understand history nor human nature at all.

Obviously the situation is bad. The antivaxx bomb exploded and a significant chunk of the population has been hit by it. Now governments are trying to counteract that. (Twitter too.) Both usually have crude methods only.

This is not an antivaxx problem, this is a government/NGO ineptitude & trustworthiness problem. There's been a million fumbles and lies around the whole pandemic, making the quasistalinist approach to pandemic governance likely the number one catalyst of antivaxx stances.

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by throwawayacc2 »

pas wrote: post #27
waihtis wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fine, but now we have two extra phenomena with the COVID vaccine: 1) Discussion about vaccine side effects, efficacy rates, etc. is being actively censored (e.g. Twitter's ridiculous post censorship policy) 2) Governments pushing for a mandatory vaccine If one doesn't think this creates a very dangerous precedent one does not understand history nor human nature at all.

Obviously the situation is bad. The antivaxx bomb exploded and a significant chunk of the population has been hit by it. Now governments are trying to counteract that. (Twitter too.) Both usually have crude methods only.

I’m sure some time from now a different government won’t try to “counteract” some other threat with even more draconian measures. And it definitely can’t be the other side targeted next time. There’s nothing dangerous in giving unchecked power to the government to counteract “threats”.

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by ajvs »

pas wrote: post #27
waihtis wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fine, but now we have two extra phenomena with the COVID vaccine: 1) Discussion about vaccine side effects, efficacy rates, etc. is being actively censored (e.g. Twitter's ridiculous post censorship policy) 2) Governments pushing for a mandatory vaccine If one doesn't think this creates a very dangerous precedent one does not understand history nor human nature at all.

Obviously the situation is bad. The antivaxx bomb exploded and a significant chunk of the population has been hit by it. Now governments are trying to counteract that. (Twitter too.) Both usually have crude methods only.

You say this like it's all due to misinformation. There are many VAERS and other self-reports in other countries, many studies and countless doctors also coming out against this. Overall I think vaccines have higher pros/cons (I'm vaccinated) but it's by no means cut and dry.

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by native_samples »

fer wrote: post #9
hmmmcurious1 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do they waive responsibility though

They don't waive more than what was defined in the PREP Act[0], they're exempt because it's an emergency and all evidence points at the treatment being better than the disease, and its production, distribution and administration is under government request. This was enacted in 2005, shortly after the original SARS, partially because pharma companies were reluctant to mass produce any novel vaccine/drug under governme…

PREP Act is an American thing. Pharma requires liability waivers globally and changing laws to eliminate legal liability is a requirement of the contracts they sign with governments.

Sometimes even that isn't enough. In some cases they demand collateral. They also demand immunity from criminal prosecution, even in cases where it's proven that people were injured through "negligence, fraud or malice":

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/company-news/...

"Government officials from Argentina and another Latin American country, which has signed a confidentiality agreement with Pfizer and so cannot be named, told the Bureau that Pfizer demanded additional indemnity against civil lawsuits citizens might file in relation to Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine.

Pfizer reportedly asked governments in Argentina and Brazil to put up sovereign assets, including military bases and federal bank reserves, as collateral for potential future legal costs.

According to government officials in Argentina and the unnamed country, Pfizer asked for liability protection not only against civil claims from citizens who suffer serious adverse events after being vaccinated, but also for cases brought due to Pfizer’s own negligence, fraud or malice. Documents from Brazil’s Ministry of Health suggest that Pfizer made similar demands of the Brazilian government."

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

#40

Post by mdp2021 »

pas wrote: post #27
waihtis wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fine, but now we have two extra phenomena with the COVID vaccine: 1) Discussion about vaccine side effects, efficacy rates, etc. is being actively censored (e.g. Twitter's ridiculous post censorship policy) 2) Governments pushing for a mandatory vaccine If one doesn't think this creates a very dangerous precedent one does not understand history nor human nature at all.

Obviously the situation is bad. The antivaxx bomb exploded and a significant chunk of the population has been hit by it. Now governments are trying to counteract that. (Twitter too.) Both usually have crude methods only.

> The antivaxx bomb exploded

That is a quite improper expression to describe a situation which also covers the inquiry "What is going on here, I am seeing absurdities, lunacy [esp. with regards to said «counteraction»] and I am witnessing facts that simply do not match narratives".

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