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Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by LongTimeAnon » Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 2:56 PM UTC

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #29

nsxwolf wrote: post #6

This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

You are free to not work at Google, and you are free to not take part in society if you dont wish to participate in the societal contract.

And you are not free to attack whatever I build when I depart from your society.

And I am free to kill you if you do.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by physicsguy » Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

nsxwolf wrote: post #6

This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

> You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights.

This is like the free speech debate. You have the right to say whatever you like. Other people don't have to put up with it by listening to you though. Just as if you don't get a vaccine, other people won't want to work with you.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by gjsman-1000 » Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

xnyan wrote: post #7

dablweb wrote: post #3

We were promised this wouldn't happen by our governments last year right? It feels like the public are building their own prisons. Why are private companies stuck policing these absurd policies?

>We were promised this wouldn't happen by our governments last year right? We were promised that a company can't require a vaccine as a condition of employment? Seeing as some companies have required vaccines for as long as there have been vaccines, I think I must be misunderstanding you. >Why are private companies stuck policing these absurd policies? Companies are requiring the vaccine because they make employees l…

> Companies are requiring the vaccine because they make employees less likely to miss work due to illness.

Then if I don't want to get a vaccine, I'll sign an agreement that if I get sick and miss work, I don't get paid, and that's the end of it.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by Ekaros » Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

kiba wrote: post #5

dablweb wrote: post #3

We were promised this wouldn't happen by our governments last year right? It feels like the public are building their own prisons. Why are private companies stuck policing these absurd policies?

Unless you have medical exemption, it's just a jab in the arm?

Why can't companies mandate a lobotomy then? After all it is just jab in the brain. You hardly notice it if you receive it...

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by chrisseaton » Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

jaquer_1 wrote: post #14

Oddskar wrote: post #4

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1. Force people into draconian measures that won't stop infection and violate their rights. 2. Convince them that it's necessary to stop the pandemic without giving any arguments. 3. Have them defend your measures in public forums and feel very smart.

> violate their rights

Can you talk us through exactly which rights you think are being violated?

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by wedowhatwedo » Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

cfcf14 wrote: post #22

kiba wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you have medical exemption, it's just a jab in the arm?

For many people, it's more than just a jab, it's 1-3 days of being quite unwell. I have no underlying health conditions, but I've been bedridden by my 2nd shot and booster shots, with a high fever, fatigue, dizziness, and aches for at least 48 hours. My partner who is immuno-compromised is worse off, generally being very ill for 1-2 weeks after each jab. Her case is somewhat different though, as her situation is just…

This is why the company I work for will give you up to three paid days off after getting a vaccine shot. Feeling bad after the shot should not be a reason to not get it.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by jaquer_1 » Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #29

nsxwolf wrote: post #6

This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

You are free to not work at Google, and you are free to not take part in society if you dont wish to participate in the societal contract.

Then dismantle unions, because people are free to go anywhere else

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by criddell » Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

At some point I wonder if health insurers will start denying claims related to the treatment of COVID infections if the person is eligible for the vaccine but has refused to get one?

On TV today I saw that Kroger employees don't get sick day pay if they are off because of COVID unless they have been vaccinated (and I would assume there's a medical exemption).

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by DiffEq » Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 2:58 PM UTC

Oddskar wrote: post #4

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Then why not fire people who are overweight? That kills more people; reduces work capacity more than any other, and costs more money than any other health issue we have. Additionally, if you are healthy and do not have the comorbidities that come with being overweight your risks of being a Covid mortality is less than the flu. So to be consistent Google should fire everyone that is overweight right? And you should be totally ok with that.

Why not fire people who drive cars - the risk of dying and killing other people is greater than Covid presents for most every age category...especially those ages that are working for Google. And you should be o.k. with that too.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by goodoldneon » Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 2:58 PM UTC

nsxwolf wrote: post #6

This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

Stop politicizing public health.