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Re: EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

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Post by clircle »

natrys wrote: post #23
earthscienceman wrote: post #6

Was there not, at some point, a disagreement among the emacs developers about how this conference was being managed? As an aside, emacs has so much potential, I'm so glad the community continues to thrive. I use emacs exclusively for science data analysis and consistently impress my colleagues with how quickly things can be accomplished. If rough edges were polished in some of the python corners there could easily be…

I have been a happy R + ESS (Emacs Speaks Statistics) user for a while now. I think ESS also supports python, I have no personal experience with that though. But I can agree that whenever I am forced to use Jupyter notebooks, it feel awfully unergonomic in comparison.

Strongly Agree! ESS is an incredible environment for statistical work, but I don't think it supports Python. There is some minimal support for Julia, but it's not quite as well supported as R.

Re: EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

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Post by ashton314 »

earthscienceman wrote: post #6

Was there not, at some point, a disagreement among the emacs developers about how this conference was being managed? As an aside, emacs has so much potential, I'm so glad the community continues to thrive. I use emacs exclusively for science data analysis and consistently impress my colleagues with how quickly things can be accomplished. If rough edges were polished in some of the python corners there could easily be…

Just came here to plug Nicolas Rougier. He’s got some fantastic and very pretty-looking Emacs packages. He’s got good ideas of where Emacs should be in terms of usability in my opinion.

https://github.com/rougier

Re: EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

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Post by harha »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #9
earthscienceman wrote: post #6

Was there not, at some point, a disagreement among the emacs developers about how this conference was being managed? As an aside, emacs has so much potential, I'm so glad the community continues to thrive. I use emacs exclusively for science data analysis and consistently impress my colleagues with how quickly things can be accomplished. If rough edges were polished in some of the python corners there could easily be…

Honestly I've never understood Python for data analysis. R and Matlab have way better environments. R Studio is quite possibly the best environment I've ever used, in any language. Even creating C++ modules with Rcpp is easy. Julia is also getting there with a lot of natural advantages over R, Matlab or Python. I just don't get why anyone uses Python in this domain.

Not having access to a good R environment at work is one big reason.

At the company I work at there’s a pypi mirror with quite recent packages and it works out of the box - for R there’s only an ancient version and some hacks to get it to work with juptyer notebooks.

Re: EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

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Post by smitty1e »

taeric wrote: post #16
smitty1e wrote: post #13

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Python proper is terrible for analyzing data at scale. It's the numpy, scipy, jupyter tools, as well as Anaconda, that make the sale. Too, it's not just the analysis, but the extract/transform/load (ETL) beforehand. Python's general purpose wealth of tools had me transforming the FCC antenna coverage .zip[1] to shapefile and parking it in a spatialite file for QGIS in a relative jiffy. Doubtless I could do all that i…

I argue that what makes the sale, is that that is what so many in the field are using. Not much inherent to the technologies, but you are taking on a daunting task if you want to compete with pytorch, instead of using it.

Network effects: we got 'em.

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Post by Mikeb85 »

harha wrote: post #33
Mikeb85 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I've never understood Python for data analysis. R and Matlab have way better environments. R Studio is quite possibly the best environment I've ever used, in any language. Even creating C++ modules with Rcpp is easy. Julia is also getting there with a lot of natural advantages over R, Matlab or Python. I just don't get why anyone uses Python in this domain.

Not having access to a good R environment at work is one big reason. At the company I work at there’s a pypi mirror with quite recent packages and it works out of the box - for R there’s only an ancient version and some hacks to get it to work with juptyer notebooks.

?? Can't use RStudio?

Re: EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

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Post by taeric »

noir_lord wrote: post #27
taeric wrote: post #18

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Even if not, you could probably get donations to put quite a few of these up there. Seems a really good idea.

Wrong type of free I think.

Fair, I actually did assume that it costs money to put some videos up on twitch.

In other ways, though, I'm not actually clear that they lock you in much. Such that I'm not sure how it is any less free than most any other alternative.

Consider, it is basically the idea to use the town hall to host a local event.

Re: EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

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Post by robertbmenke »

I love the emacs philosophy. Doom emacs with evil mode is a gorgeous experience. However, once LSP and a few plugins are running it's just too slow to use. I hope one day we'll have a multi-threaded version of emacs that can compete with VSCode, JetBrains, and Xcode.

Re: EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

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Post by auxym »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #9
earthscienceman wrote: post #6

Was there not, at some point, a disagreement among the emacs developers about how this conference was being managed? As an aside, emacs has so much potential, I'm so glad the community continues to thrive. I use emacs exclusively for science data analysis and consistently impress my colleagues with how quickly things can be accomplished. If rough edges were polished in some of the python corners there could easily be…

Honestly I've never understood Python for data analysis. R and Matlab have way better environments. R Studio is quite possibly the best environment I've ever used, in any language. Even creating C++ modules with Rcpp is easy. Julia is also getting there with a lot of natural advantages over R, Matlab or Python. I just don't get why anyone uses Python in this domain.

Matlab is awful at being a general-purpose language, anything that isn't wrangling matrices. Strings, paths, networking, etc are all really painful compared to Python or Julia.
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