Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

live.emacsconf.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

11–20 of 52 posts

Re: EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

#13

Post by smitty1e »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #9
earthscienceman wrote: post #6

Was there not, at some point, a disagreement among the emacs developers about how this conference was being managed? As an aside, emacs has so much potential, I'm so glad the community continues to thrive. I use emacs exclusively for science data analysis and consistently impress my colleagues with how quickly things can be accomplished. If rough edges were polished in some of the python corners there could easily be…

Honestly I've never understood Python for data analysis. R and Matlab have way better environments. R Studio is quite possibly the best environment I've ever used, in any language. Even creating C++ modules with Rcpp is easy. Julia is also getting there with a lot of natural advantages over R, Matlab or Python. I just don't get why anyone uses Python in this domain.

Python proper is terrible for analyzing data at scale.

It's the numpy, scipy, jupyter tools, as well as Anaconda, that make the sale.

Too, it's not just the analysis, but the extract/transform/load (ETL) beforehand. Python's general purpose wealth of tools had me transforming the FCC antenna coverage .zip[1] to shapefile and parking it in a spatialite file for QGIS in a relative jiffy.

Doubtless I could do all that in Julia or R, but I get to hone my python-fu at the office doing cloud stuff by day--another argument in favor of the general-purpose tool.

[1] ftp://ftp.fcc.gov/pub/Bureaus/MB/Databases/fm_service_contour_data/FM_service_contour_current.zip

Re: EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

#15

Post by convolvatron »

amichail wrote: post #12

Isn't it time for everyone to move on to TeXmacs, not only for WYSIWYG editing of scientific/math documents, but also for note taking and even programming?

ok. that looks interesting. will try, do you think there are any downsides in trying to use this as a general purpose programming environment?

edit: whoa - you mean I can't use normal emacs cursor movement? no thanks, emacs for me is all about no menus and no modality.

Re: EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

#16

Post by taeric »

smitty1e wrote: post #13
Mikeb85 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I've never understood Python for data analysis. R and Matlab have way better environments. R Studio is quite possibly the best environment I've ever used, in any language. Even creating C++ modules with Rcpp is easy. Julia is also getting there with a lot of natural advantages over R, Matlab or Python. I just don't get why anyone uses Python in this domain.

Python proper is terrible for analyzing data at scale. It's the numpy, scipy, jupyter tools, as well as Anaconda, that make the sale. Too, it's not just the analysis, but the extract/transform/load (ETL) beforehand. Python's general purpose wealth of tools had me transforming the FCC antenna coverage .zip[1] to shapefile and parking it in a spatialite file for QGIS in a relative jiffy. Doubtless I could do all that i…

I argue that what makes the sale, is that that is what so many in the field are using. Not much inherent to the technologies, but you are taking on a daunting task if you want to compete with pytorch, instead of using it.

Re: EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

#17

Post by Koshkin »

amichail wrote: post #12

Isn't it time for everyone to move on to TeXmacs, not only for WYSIWYG editing of scientific/math documents, but also for note taking and even programming?

TeXmacs is amazing but has been staying in a relative obscurity for some reason. It could be a great tool for the so-called literal programming. (Curiously, TeXmacs has little to do with TeX or emacs.)

Re: EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

#19

Post by taeric »

Folcon wrote: post #7
earthscienceman wrote: post #6

Was there not, at some point, a disagreement among the emacs developers about how this conference was being managed? As an aside, emacs has so much potential, I'm so glad the community continues to thrive. I use emacs exclusively for science data analysis and consistently impress my colleagues with how quickly things can be accomplished. If rough edges were polished in some of the python corners there could easily be…

This is interesting, I had the impression that notebooks were crossing this gap, are there specific command line issues that are a big bottleneck? Is it just better dependency management that's the big command line problem for example?

Notebooks are abysmal when it comes to state management. And that includes state of data access, as well as state of dependencies.

Re: EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

#20

Post by seanw444 »

chaoz_ wrote: post #11

I might ask a dumb questions - but why is this conf not streamed on Twitch? It could help acquire new audience.

To BeetleB's point, Emacs is free and open source software. I'm sure they wouldn't want to use a non free and open source network/streaming service to deliver the video.
Post reply on HN