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Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms

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Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms

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You don't have to live like this. I recommend you find some new friends not connected with your work - join a choir or maybe an improv group

I think even this won't work. Friendship just doesn't work in this system. Everyone is just looking for an opportunity to take whatever you have; even if they have more than you overall, people are greedy; they will find the one thing you have better and subconsciously try to take it or ruin if for you. If you have something that someone else wants, they will take it as soon as you turn your back. If they can't take…

> Everyone is just looking for an opportunity to take whatever you have

This seems like an indefensibly broad assertion. How do you determine this? Is there an objective measure or does it rely on your interpretation or estimates of others’ mental states?

Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms

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It sounds like you’ve had some really rough experiences.

What you’ve described is absolutely not universal though. I’ve accumulated and kept very close friends though a rollercoaster of financial conditions across decades.

Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms

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I was hoping for something more conclusive. I have had two good friendships that lasted more than 2 years each. besides them, I feel like I've almost never had friends at all. I don't know if I can say they were romantic. the first one I miss so badly that I wonder if it was. the second one became romantic and now we are married. I terribly want the lifelong deep friendships that normal people seem to form accidental…

I can’t say it’ll work, and perhaps you’re already putting in the effort but (as long as it’s okay with your wife!) Some dating apps (Bumble, maybe Tinder?) have options for swiping for friends Other ways I’ve made friends include ski trips on big busses of people I don’t know, volunteer events, and travel tours I think the big key is putting yourself in situations where you’ll be in close proximity with other people…

I meet people all the time, maybe have a nice discussion. Most of the time it’s just a one off thing, at a bar, at a show, standing outside to smoke. Even when it is in a context when will see them again and even regularly, it’s more likely that they’ll be anything more than a very casual acquaintance or a friend who might occasionally prove me about some topic we discussed.

I dont know quite how to put it, but most people I meet are not people that would really develop into friendship, we’re just too different. Not saying you need to be nearly identical to from a friendship, but most people I meet are just in radically different stages of live, with different priorities and approaches to relationships.

It kinda sucks, because often I’ll meet cool people and have a nice convo, maybe even enjoy myself a bit, but it always feels incredibly empty afterwards.

Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms

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i'm not a big fan of therapy but it sounds like you need therapy

A therapist can only help you if you don't understand yourself or your situation (they can help to make sense of it by helping you to unlock new information). But I understand my situation perfectly. I will probably end up converting the therapist to my world view unless they're too shallow to understand it... In which case why would I want such shallow person as a therapist? If I want to unlearn information, maybe o…

It is also possible that many of the experiences that you’ve had in life have wired you into relationships that are functional but sub-optimal. Either a local minima or a sub-optimal Nash equilibrium if you will.

Some modes of therapy are like you mentioned an attempt to reframe your world view. Those modes of therapy would be unlikely to help someone in your circumstances. Other modes of therapy are more focused on helping a person escape the local minima and start moving to something more optimal.

For example a victim of traumatic car crash can’t be taught that cars aren’t dangerous. Life experience has shown him that cars are dangerous in a more direct way then most people would be able to understand but therapy techniques such as EMDR have been shown to help.

In other cases early relationships may have been with people who could not or would not act as healthy, reliable partners. It is impossible to un-learn that a relationships (or most relationships) can be highly one-sided or exploitive. Attachment therapy can help a person model what a mutually beneficial and trusting relationship can be. This can help them to recognize unhealthy relationship patterns and provide them the tools to establish healthier ones and move into more enriching relationships.

I don’t know what your experiences are but likely they aren’t entirely unique. Hurt people, hurt people. Soon the entire world is traumatized. In an ideal world we’d all be embedded in families and communities that modeled healthy relationships that could heal us from these wounds. The world isn’t ideal and sometimes we need professional help.

Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms

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> Some dating apps (Bumble, maybe Tinder?) have options for swiping for friends Anecdotally, I usually hear about Bumble-friend-mode being used for gay dating. Perhaps the label might not always be accurate to the social purposes it is put.

That’s funny, I can’t say I’ve tried finding friends that way. Seems like you can just say you’re interested in the same sex? I guess some people are curious, or more insidiously, in a situation where closeted is how they feel best.

no, there's a separate "friend mode" which in theory is only used for finding friend. I'm not 100% sure (never used the friend mode), but I guess you can specify sex also in that mode (of course that can be specified for the dating part of the app).

Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms

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I was hoping for something more conclusive. I have had two good friendships that lasted more than 2 years each. besides them, I feel like I've almost never had friends at all. I don't know if I can say they were romantic. the first one I miss so badly that I wonder if it was. the second one became romantic and now we are married. I terribly want the lifelong deep friendships that normal people seem to form accidental…

For me the two sources of friends have been:

- Shared work/school experience of people my own age

- Hobbies

They do get tougher with age.

Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms

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A poor nice guy will have real friends. A rich nice guy will have real friends. A poor asshole will have no friends. A rich asshole will have fake friends that hide their hatred and contempt behind fake smiles.

So is the solution to stop being an asshole? Yes. But this is not an easy thing, because with fake friends you are not getting any feedback. You don't notice when you step people on the toes.

Maybe pretend to be poor until you have learned the lessons you need to learn.

Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms

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You don't have to live like this. I recommend you find some new friends not connected with your work - join a choir or maybe an improv group

I think even this won't work. Friendship just doesn't work in this system. Everyone is just looking for an opportunity to take whatever you have; even if they have more than you overall, people are greedy; they will find the one thing you have better and subconsciously try to take it or ruin if for you. If you have something that someone else wants, they will take it as soon as you turn your back. If they can't take…

Don't want to speak for the other commenter you're replying to, but that could also be you don't have to live like this - referring to trodding out crony capitalists as the bogeyman. There are many more bogeymen out there.

Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms

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Not directly related but "limerance" is a type of love that I find useful to know about: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerence That wiki article is quite discursive, but I think about it as "what would evolution need to invent to keep human parents together long enough that their kids didn't die in early infancy", it would need to be strong, but precisly because of that, it probably couldn't last longer than a fe…

Limerance is the agonizing feeling that happens before (or after what-could-have-been) a relationship. The wiki article equates it with "a crush".

It's what nature invented to keep lonely guys looking for relationships instead of just walking off into the wilderness.

Re: Romantic friendship: deep and lasting connection comes in many forms

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A therapist can only help you if you don't understand yourself or your situation (they can help to make sense of it by helping you to unlock new information). But I understand my situation perfectly. I will probably end up converting the therapist to my world view unless they're too shallow to understand it... In which case why would I want such shallow person as a therapist? If I want to unlearn information, maybe o…

>But I understand my situation perfectly. I will probably end up converting the therapist to my world view unless they're too shallow to understand it Or, and here is a radical thought, you don’t perfectly understand the complexities of human relationships. Maybe your arrogance and narrow world view lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy that also serves to validate your world view. See a therapist.

This person doesn't want to see a therapist and as such shouldn't go see one. While I understand the sentiment, a therapists job isn't to change this guy's world view. A therapist is supposed to help people with the problems they want help with. (This person doesn't believe that they have a problem, it seems.)
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