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Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
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Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#32Welcome to WUPHF.com
Seriously, should've named it WHUPF..
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#33From the post… > It’s also worth noting that end-to-end encryption is necessarily broken as messages to (and from) WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram pass across the bridge(s). They store everything encrypted but this may open the door for legal requests to get access.
Yeah ideally they should sell e.g. raspberry pi devices which allow you to self host it at home.
That does not sound like the kind of experience general consumers expect and it doesn’t match Up with their subscription model.
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#34One thing I didn't spot, does this tier allow you to use a custom domain name on Matrix, or will you be :matrix.org still? $5/mo is an interesting price point for me if it can do that, I don't need the bridges but I could support the project this way.
I believe this tier only lets you use the new ...one.ems.host domain [1].
Element Home pricing might be better for you if you have a few friends who are also interested ($10/month for 5 users), and won't use bridges [2].
[1]: https://matrix.org/blog/category/this-week-in-matrix#element...
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#35Back in the day before the rise of Facebook, there was an open source service that combined all the popular messaging protocols - MSN, AoL, IRC, etc.
It was called Pidgin[0], and it never got particularly big.
I see the same thing here. While it's interesting, I'm failing to see what the use case is. What's the niche that needs this solved in a big way?
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#36Does anyone know what this product is based on? Is it just a ready-made image with all the bridges preconfigured (and prerequisites such as a small android vm for a viable whatsapp bridge), or has there been some evolution on the existing package? Is there documentation on what was done to achieve this? Purely on the content of the article: Given that the messages are not stored encrypted locally and that this servic…
> Purely on the content of the article: Given that the messages are not stored encrypted locally and that this service is connected to the US, I do not see how it can be viable for the privacy-conscious. Matrix chats (direct and group) are E2E by default. There is no bridge that will let you keep E2E encryption between Signal/WhatsApp and another service - it has to be broken somewhere. I believe Element is a UK comp…
From there Terms of Service: Where you read 'Element' or 'we' or 'us' below, it refers to Element, a trading name of New Vector Ltd., its French subsidiary: New Vector SARL, its U.S. subsidiary: Element Software Inc, and their agents. https://element.io/terms-of-service
So UK, French and US.
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#37Beeper provides a similar service for $10/month (private beta). https://www.beeper.com/
You can also self host it for free according to their website.
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#38One thing I didn't spot, does this tier allow you to use a custom domain name on Matrix, or will you be :matrix.org still? $5/mo is an interesting price point for me if it can do that, I don't need the bridges but I could support the project this way.
I believe this tier only lets you use the new ...one.ems.host domain [1]. Element Home pricing might be better for you if you have a few friends who are also interested ($10/month for 5 users), and won't use bridges [2]. [1]: https://matrix.org/blog/category/this-week-in-matrix#element... [2]: https://element.io/personal-plans
Sadly I don't have a single friend on Matrix that I could consider doing this with, and it's unlikely I could convince my wife to use it either. So it would be double the money for only that piece of flair.
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#39Back in the day before the rise of Facebook, there was an open source service that combined all the popular messaging protocols - MSN, AoL, IRC, etc. It was called Pidgin[0], and it never got particularly big. I see the same thing here. While it's interesting, I'm failing to see what the use case is. What's the niche that needs this solved in a big way? [0] https://www.pidgin.im/
> While it's interesting, I'm failing to see what the use case is.
I'm unclear if it supports relay mode, but if so, you can invite Matrix, Signal, and WhatsApp users into the same group chat! [1] Edit: Relay mode is not currently supported in Element One, I tried it out. I contacted support and they said "we will discuss this internally and possibly enabled it later"
I've been using this on my self-hosted version of the bridge and it does wonders for those friends who are on Signal but don't want to try another app.
Also, a lot of people just don't want to swap between apps for direct messaging people on different services. This means you can use any Matrix compatible app [2] to chat with anyone on Matrix/WhatsApp/Signal/Telegram.
[1]: https://github.com/mautrix/docs/blob/master/bridges/python/s...
Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place
#40Back in the day before the rise of Facebook, there was an open source service that combined all the popular messaging protocols - MSN, AoL, IRC, etc. It was called Pidgin[0], and it never got particularly big. I see the same thing here. While it's interesting, I'm failing to see what the use case is. What's the niche that needs this solved in a big way? [0] https://www.pidgin.im/
No, it wasn't a "service" - it was a program. Unlike this thing.
The main difference between this and Pidgin seems to be that you pay a monthly fee for someone to man-in-the-middle all your communications.