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Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

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Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

#21
From the post…

> It’s also worth noting that end-to-end encryption is necessarily broken as messages to (and from) WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram pass across the bridge(s).

They store everything encrypted but this may open the door for legal requests to get access.

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

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Does anyone know what this product is based on? Is it just a ready-made image with all the bridges preconfigured (and prerequisites such as a small android vm for a viable whatsapp bridge), or has there been some evolution on the existing package? Is there documentation on what was done to achieve this? Purely on the content of the article: Given that the messages are not stored encrypted locally and that this servic…

> Does anyone know what this product is based on? It's very likely based on https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy

This is cool, thank you! Very well documented and (from the looks of things) feature-complete.

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

#23
post #7

Does anyone know what this product is based on? Is it just a ready-made image with all the bridges preconfigured (and prerequisites such as a small android vm for a viable whatsapp bridge), or has there been some evolution on the existing package? Is there documentation on what was done to achieve this? Purely on the content of the article: Given that the messages are not stored encrypted locally and that this servic…

> Purely on the content of the article: Given that the messages are not stored encrypted locally and that this service is connected to the US, I do not see how it can be viable for the privacy-conscious.

Matrix chats (direct and group) are E2E by default. There is no bridge that will let you keep E2E encryption between Signal/WhatsApp and another service - it has to be broken somewhere. I believe Element is a UK company.

The blog post on This Week In Matrix states it uses modified versions of the open source (and self hostable) Mautrix bridges which are primarily built by tulir [2] of Beeper [3]: https://matrix.org/blog/category/this-week-in-matrix#element...

> However, in addition to being a fast, snappy Matrix account, it also comes with unlimited personal bridging to Whatsapp, Signal and Telegram thanks to mautrix-whatsapp/signal/telegram!

[2]:https://github.com/tulir [3]: https://www.beeper.com/

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't you encrypt your hard drive?

I don't follow. What does my hard drive have to do with plaintext messages on Element's servers?

As far as I can tell, the messages don't live in plaintext on Element's servers - they are bridged in plaintext to Matrix, which is end to end encrypted.

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

#25
post #21

From the post… > It’s also worth noting that end-to-end encryption is necessarily broken as messages to (and from) WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram pass across the bridge(s). They store everything encrypted but this may open the door for legal requests to get access.

Yeah ideally they should sell e.g. raspberry pi devices which allow you to self host it at home.

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

#26
post #12

How safe is this to use? Couldn't WhatsApp or Signal detect you're routing everything to a shared hosting server somewhere and ban your account as a bot, stating the fact you're probably breaking some ToS clause?

I can't speak to WhatsApp, but I've been using the self hosted Signal bridge [1] and it is brilliant, no bot troubles at all. Behind the scenes it uses signalid [2].

[1]: https://github.com/mautrix/signal [2]: https://gitlab.com/signald/signald

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

#28

Beeper provides a similar service for $10/month (private beta). https://www.beeper.com/

There's also one from Fitbit's founder, Texts app - this space is getting crowded! https://texts.com/

There seems to be little information about the company/people who runs Texts on the website which is strange - where did you find the info of who runs it?

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

#29
post #3

I'm happy to see that element found another potential revenue stream, but will people pay the 5$/month to unify their messaging? I don't know about others but it's not that much of a pain point for me, and I'm using all of the apps they mention - WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram as well as few others like IRC and Discord.

I have nowhere near the same reach and marketing capacity as Element, but if my experience running a managed hosting service [0] for Matrix (and other messaging/social media services) is anything to go by: individuals really don't care enough about that to the point of paying $5/month, but there is a growing opportunity for business that want to have some control over their communications.

These bridges can be amazing if you want to have a chatbot, or a support desk that can put all their conversations in one place, etc, but to replace the mainstream apps it is too much of a tall order. At the moment the mobile clients have so many bugs that makes it hard even for me to go when offering support for my "customers", which at this point is just the couple dozen friends and family that I managed to rope into it. They don't even have feature parity with any of the competitors, so for end-users it's just easier to switch apps on their phone depending on who they want to talk and their will have a better experience doing so.

I still use and support Matrix, but their clients still need to improve a lot if they ever hope to reach mainstream. I am focused now on another project [1], but when/if I ever get to work back on communick, I will pivot away from end-users and into SMB.

[0] https://communick.com

[1] https://hub20.io

Re: Element One – All of Matrix, WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram in one place

#30
One thing I didn't spot, does this tier allow you to use a custom domain name on Matrix, or will you be :matrix.org still? $5/mo is an interesting price point for me if it can do that, I don't need the bridges but I could support the project this way.
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