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What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by bogwog »

jmnicolas wrote: post #27
hulitu wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example: firefox reduces the timestamp precision on your mouse events to prevent fingerprinting ... while sending all URLs you visit to google for "safe browsing".

It's kind of gray: Privacy One of the most persistent misunderstandings about Safe Browsing is the idea that the browser needs to send all visited URLs to Google in order to verify whether or not they are safe. While this was an option in version 1 of the Safe Browsing protocol (as disclosed in their privacy policy at the time), support for this "enhanced mode" was removed in Firefox 3 and the version 1 server was de…

So basically, it does send your URLs to Google. Maybe not all of them, but an unspecified amount of them. Also, Google pinky promises that the data they collect from this isn't used for tracking purposes.

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by dartharva »

>at Vivaldi, we don’t track or profile you. Nor do we collect usage data. In fact, we believe that the unnecessary collection of data is dangerous and has no place in your browser.

Great. Would be better if you also release Vivaldi's source code to public scrutiny instead of just expecting users to take your word for it.

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by lmkg »

kuu wrote: post #3

I don't really know Vivaldi. They mention that they do not track you, but do they make some effort to avoid being tracked by others? For example: firefox reduces the timestamp precision on your mouse events to prevent fingerprinting Does Vivaldi do something similar?

Vivaldi is pretty pro-privacy. Every time Chromium adds a new API with privacy implications, Vivaldi makes a blog post publicly committing to disable or remove it from the version they ship. E.g. the most recent update, the headline feature is disabling the Idle API by default: https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-gets-more-private-delivers-...

They also had a pretty long post about why FLOC is bad, and I believe have committed to retaining Manifest v2 for extensions.

Other prominent privacy or privacy-adjacent features include a built-in ad-blocker and heavy investment into on-device translation features.

I'm not sure how much work they put into preventing fingerprinting techniques. I don't get the sense it's a high priority.

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by yoasif_ »

Shadonototra wrote: post #25
kuu wrote: post #3

I don't really know Vivaldi. They mention that they do not track you, but do they make some effort to avoid being tracked by others? For example: firefox reduces the timestamp precision on your mouse events to prevent fingerprinting Does Vivaldi do something similar?

I don't know but firefox sends what ever you type in your address bar to mozilla, that is concerning

Not really true - you can see my post for details https://www.quippd.com/writing/2021/10/10/firefox-suggest-an...

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by log101 »

authorityofnil wrote: post #21
log101 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you "really" read it? How much money do you think they make from bookmarks or recommendations?

You can make quite substantial sums, seeing as Mozilla makes tens of millions with default engine choices: https://static.mozilla.com/foundation/documents/mf-2006-audi... So yes, I do think they make money aswell

I was going give Mozilla as an example, thanks for pointing that out. Now please go and check how Mozilla is doing financially :) Even Mozilla is having hard time making profit, Vivaldi is sure is an ambitious project but my point is sorts of income mentioned on the site doesn't mean anything, they need more than bookmarks...

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by toyg »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #30

Business model is letting Google do all the work. Totally understand everyone adopting Chromium instead of doing the hard work.

This really is the issue with all these Chrome clones - as nice as they might end up being, they keep Google steadily in control of the real thing underneath. The price of outsourcing development of your backbone components is a fundamental loss of power.

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by hrnnnnnn »

ricardo81 wrote: post #22

FF is my default but I'd likely fall back to Vivaldi if FF continue with schemes like ads in search suggestions (or more to the point, start making a 3rd party call which apparently they currently don't do). Appreciate the transparency in that their search engine selection is based on them being paid, and include Google purely because it's the market leader.

Been using Vivaldi more and more on Android these days.

Since the big update Firefox is literally unusable for some tasks. For example the other day I needed to switch apps to get a value to put into a form. When I switched back it reloaded the page, losing the form state.

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by Eikon »

dartharva wrote: post #32

>at Vivaldi, we don’t track or profile you. Nor do we collect usage data. In fact, we believe that the unnecessary collection of data is dangerous and has no place in your browser. Great. Would be better if you also release Vivaldi's source code to public scrutiny instead of just expecting users to take your word for it.

Then I hope you'll also build it by yourself.
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