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NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by drngdds »

Vaccine mandates are good in concept* and will probably spur a lot of the "I'll get it if it's required" or "I'm going to wait and see" people to go ahead and get it.

But they're kind of weak as implemented here. Considering that a photo of a vaccine card is considered valid proof (and the guy checking cards at the bar or whatever is only going to spend two seconds looking at it), some enterprising scumbag could probably whip up a site that automatically creates fake vaccine pass photos over a weekend or two.

*Even with delta, the vaccines are pretty damn effective at preventing infections. A lot of media coverage on this is misleading and is based on not understanding base rates - when a high proportion of people at risk of hospitalization are vaccinated, you're going to see vaccination rates among hospitalized people that are higher than the actual efficacy rate would suggest.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

wdhilliard wrote: post #13
alecst wrote: post #9

Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

My problem is that the whole thing is based on old data and a false premise that life is safe when vaccinated people are only around vaccinated people. We know this is slightly more true than among the unvaccinated, but only by about 40%. This is real data. Fears of privacy implications: Tracking data/metadata, How data is recorded, How long are records kept. What other data is linked to vaccination checks? Fears of…

New York state has an "Excelsior pass" that currently serves no purpose. You can use an app or print out a card with QR code to prove vaccination.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by [deleted] »

alecst wrote: post #9

Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

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Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by zepto »

q3k wrote: post #23
tboyd47 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Requiring people to consume a medical product, especially one that has not been subject to the full FDA approval process, just to live their normal lives is morally wrong. They are making people into test subjects for a multinational corporation. It doesn't matter if we already do this to an extent with other vaccines; nothing in the past has ever come close to this. It doesn't matter if you think the vaccine is more…

> You wouldn't want strangers mandating injections into your body that you don't want. I mean, compulsory vaccination is a thing in many countries, and I think it's a net good for the world?

Compulsory injection with compounds that are not medically approved because they haven’t been tested to accepted standards is a good thing?

For what it’s worth, I’m vaccinated and wear a mask in every public encounter until I’ve discussed the risks with whoever I am dealing with whether required to or not.

However I strongly disagree with mandatory medical treatment of any kind.

I could imagine a law for emergency vaccinations that I would find acceptable, but it would need to have a lot of safeguards.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by dukeofdoom »

Apparently the virus has never been even isolated in a lab. Here is an interview with a guy that challenged his $1k fine, and won in court, because the Canadian government failed to prove that the virus exists.

https://rumble.com/vkorz0-freedom-fighter-court-victory-ends...

The alternative is that they have a sample, just won't provide it because there's something about the virus they don't want us to know.

Alberta has lifted restrictions.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by SirensOfTitan »

To preface: I got the vaccine months ago (as soon as I had access), I'm a big believer in vaccines.

With that being said, this policy doesn't sit well with me. None of the currently available vaccines in the US are FDA approved. Of course, a lot of people have received those vaccines, but I also don't necessarily fault individuals for feeling hesitant (the nuance here is that I think people ought to get the vaccine). mRNA is a new, unknown technology, and the vaccine was rushed faster to public access than any other vaccine before. We have absolutely no idea if there are any long term side effects of these vaccines.

Both candidates Biden and Harris expressed the need for full trials and transparency in regard to the vaccine before they were in office, then changed their tune after (see: https://twitter.com/pbhushan1/status/1416969060890210305). Biden says:

> When we finally do, God willing, get a vaccine, Who’s going to take the shot? Who’s going to take the shot? You going to be the first one to say, “Put me — sign me up, they now say it’s OK”?

If the vaccine is as effective as it seems, then this decision feels positively nanny state to me. It takes away an individual's agency to inform themselves of the risks on both sides and make an informed decision.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by tonightstoast »

BrianOnHN wrote: post #19
alecst wrote: post #9

Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

Meta: What do you think about the timestamps on the children comments here? So many/much responses in <1min from the parent comment? GPT-3 manipulation?

Thank you for bringing this up. There are multiple _long_ child comments that were sent under a minute after the post was published. Wild. I would guess it is someone with some sort of an agenda. Although I’m not sure about GPT-3.

EDIT: please see @_Microft's comment above for an explanation of how HN will "pool" threads before coming to a conclusion :)

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