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Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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No country is willingly importing this divisive rhetoric. Aspirational young citizens who repeat the same formula within their home countries and are quickly rewarded with status and power. So the scourge continues. Short-term, this toxic, zero-sum behaviour reaps havoc. Long-term, American culture capital will have been exhausted and the US will have signed its own death warrant.

We're seeing some pushback both, politically as well as in the corporate/business world. Some companies are starting to detach from social justice issues and politics in general from taking over internal discussions. American society is recognizing the dangers of this and starting to swing the pendulum back to the center politically. More democrats that I know (atleast in SV) are aware of the compliance culture (see…

> (see Wuhan virus lab origin issues where it was impossible to discuss this in 2020 without being silenced

Funny

The reason it cannot be discussed is because the us president decided to politicize the issue front and center. That inevitably forces the heavy hand censorship. Because any rational people see the danger of fueling the political crusade that was used purposefully by the most powerful individual on earth, at the crucial juncture when the unified national movement is critical to prevent large scale casualty.

That's exactly the right use of silencing certain topics.

As for what's happening now. I am all for root causing, as a person feeling positive to China's handling of covid 19.

But boy, once the first bad guy started this political drama. No one can proceed objectively any more. China will resit all the steps for carrying out investigation in China. Not because they know something bad would be found. But because they are feared that someone is going to manufacture the evidence one way or another regardless any findings.

In the old Chinese saying: one drop of rat dropping ruined the whole pot of porridge. (一颗老鼠屎坏了一锅粥)

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Wait, the American woke leftists are too far out for the French ? (But it sounds like the problem isn't their position , but their actions or method .)

Woke culture is heading towards the cultural revolution mindset of China from 50 years ago. Its been that way for awhile but was considered fringe until recently. Not it’s at a tipping point. Don’t agree with latest woke idea. Perhaps thousands of rabbis youth attacking you will change your mind.

Related article and video: “Mom who survived Mao’s China calls critical race theory America’s Cultural Revolution” https://nypost.com/2021/06/10/mom-who-survived-maos-china-bl...

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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No country is willingly importing this divisive rhetoric. Aspirational young citizens who repeat the same formula within their home countries and are quickly rewarded with status and power. So the scourge continues. Short-term, this toxic, zero-sum behaviour reaps havoc. Long-term, American culture capital will have been exhausted and the US will have signed its own death warrant.

We're seeing some pushback both, politically as well as in the corporate/business world. Some companies are starting to detach from social justice issues and politics in general from taking over internal discussions. American society is recognizing the dangers of this and starting to swing the pendulum back to the center politically. More democrats that I know (atleast in SV) are aware of the compliance culture (see…

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In India we had black lives matter movement where they panned the use of 'fair and lovely' facecream.

Here in Canada we've had BLM protests, "defund the police" and "ACAB". I don't really understand. As far as I'm concerned Canada is about as close to a utopia as you can get on this planet. We have one of the lowest crime rates in the world. I'm pretty sure if we "defunded the police", things would only get worse.

AFAIK, the "defund the police" chant was supposed to be in response to American police forces buying army vehicles and gear. That is not a thing in Canada. I also get the general impression that whoever came up with "defund the police" has anarchist inclinations. It's basically doublespeak. They keep saying that "defund the police" only means "reform the police", but what they actually want is to dismantle the police, which is exactly what "defund the police" sounds like.

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Had first hand experience of this. I maintain an opensource project which is popular on NPM. An issue was raised in our github about we should have a statement of support for BLM in our readme. I said no as politely and diplomatically as possible. I would rather the project remains non-political, they said that made me complicit.

The thing is I am from Europe. I think BLM is a very worthy policial movement, as do I also think there are injustices in palestine and the with Uyghurs etc, but we are going to end up with most of our Readme filed with political statements at that rate. What to me as a Euro gives extra merit to US politics than that of the rest of the world?

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Racial essentialism is toxic. America and the Western Liberal ideology (which I cherish) will only survive if we ruthlessly destroy it and similar critical theories which derive from it. Otherwise we will quickly perish into a ward state, at best.

America spent more than half its life being "racially essentialist" and most of its policies went irrationally out of their way to specifically make sure that black people and Chinese immigrants had their neighborhoods destroyed. Unless you want to preserve post-Civil Rights America only.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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> Can you imagine corporate policy of SF or Menlo Park sets what people in Mumbai or Seoul can discuss regarding SARS-Cov-2? You don't have to imagine of course, it already does. Also, last year someone mentioned here that joebiden.info (which AFAICT is just a website with a collection of inconvenient clips and reports on Biden, maybe misinterpreted to fit an agenda in some cases) was censored in Messenger, seemingly…

Was quite shocking the first time my message got blocked. I am part of autoimmune support groups where plaqunial is a normal treatment. Pre pandemic. Get constant warnings and fact checks about plaqunial. Friends regularly have their post “fact checked” of course always by liberal sources. Full blown 1984 / animal farm these days.

I have stopped posting to Facebook when they would just randomly kill my posts. Just things I thought were funny or sarcastic (all before covid). Now I am just interested in peoples life events. My timeline is devoid of anything.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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No country is willingly importing this divisive rhetoric. Aspirational young citizens who repeat the same formula within their home countries and are quickly rewarded with status and power. So the scourge continues. Short-term, this toxic, zero-sum behaviour reaps havoc. Long-term, American culture capital will have been exhausted and the US will have signed its own death warrant.

There's a duplicate of this comment below, also by a new account: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27489313

Is this account real?

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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In India we had black lives matter movement where they panned the use of 'fair and lovely' facecream.

Here in Canada we've had BLM protests, "defund the police" and "ACAB". I don't really understand. As far as I'm concerned Canada is about as close to a utopia as you can get on this planet. We have one of the lowest crime rates in the world. I'm pretty sure if we "defunded the police", things would only get worse. AFAIK, the "defund the police" chant was supposed to be in response to American police forces buying arm…

I’m sure the First Nations people would also agree.

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're seeing some pushback both, politically as well as in the corporate/business world. Some companies are starting to detach from social justice issues and politics in general from taking over internal discussions. American society is recognizing the dangers of this and starting to swing the pendulum back to the center politically. More democrats that I know (atleast in SV) are aware of the compliance culture (see…

> (see Wuhan virus lab origin issues where it was impossible to discuss this in 2020 without being silenced Funny The reason it cannot be discussed is because the us president decided to politicize the issue front and center. That inevitably forces the heavy hand censorship. Because any rational people see the danger of fueling the political crusade that was used purposefully by the most powerful individual on earth,…

It's legitimately hilarious, as a liberal, that the liberal half of the US whiplashed from "even discussing this is racist" to "we're actually positive of it on very little evidence" without any new information to speak of.
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