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The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by ismaildonmez »

apostacy wrote: post #27
ismaildonmez wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Erdoğan thinks himself as the last Ottoman Emperor standing (c.f. The Third Reich), that’s why no way in hell he’ll accept any atrocities that Ottomans committed.

Facebook has shown themselves completely willing to remove content at the request of the Erdoğan government. If they deplatform critics of Erdoğan, why would they also not be willing to deplatform anything else that Erdoğan does not like, like discussion of the Armenian Genocide? And maybe this is why we should consider the consequences of encouraging deplatforming of people we don't like. My other comment pointing o…

> My other comment pointing out collusion of Facebook and the Turkish government is heavily downvoted, and I am not sure why. If I am mistaken, please someone let me know.

Fellow Turkish trolls are doing extra duty on this thread :-)

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by lostlogin »

daneel_w wrote: post #18

Striking how much downvoting on comments with links to more facts about the genocide is going on here. Striking, but not the least surprising...

Yes. Something/someone is hitting very benign comments hard, you can watch comments get obliterated.

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by diminish »

Leary wrote: post #16

Interesting article, however I couldn't find primary Turkish sources that detailed the reasoning behind the deportations. Did the Turks institute the policy to remove Armenians from within Turkey or to exterminate them?

Sadly Armenian terrorist organization Tashnak has killed millions of Turks in France/Russia imperial army uniforms before their migration and Armenian terrorist organization ASALA recently killed a dozen diplomats in western cities and Armenian state and militia has killed 100s of thousands in Azerbaijan literally occupying the country. The whole genocide agenda is somewhat to hide that sad truth.

Recent killings are easy to document. Unfortunately most editors are heavily manipulated by the fanatical Armenian diaspora. Search for "Khojaly massacre", "Asala killings of Turkish consulates" and civilian airport bombings in Paris and Ankara by the Armenian terrorist organization. Backwards read how Russian imperial and French armies armed Tasknak to kill Turks.

Edit: My grand-grandma sadly was burned in an owen in a village by Armenian forces in in 1910s. Someone should also understand there are 2 sides of any story. I'm sad for any casualty in 1st WW. But please allow to also feel for Turkish losses.

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by Gimpei »

My family is Assyrian and was living in a region of Iran that was at the time still part of the Ottoman empire. During the genocide, the Kurdish proxies of the regime came into my grandmother's village, murdered all the men, and raped the women before deporting them. My grandmother walked 600 miles to the Persian gulf, during which time she had a miscarriage from the rape. About two-thirds of the Assyrian population was wiped out during the genocide. So it's nice to see it being recognized. Would be nice if we got a little mention in the name though.

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by m00dy »

Leary wrote: post #16

Interesting article, however I couldn't find primary Turkish sources that detailed the reasoning behind the deportations. Did the Turks institute the policy to remove Armenians from within Turkey or to exterminate them?

You can imagine like US is sort of in trouble and people in North Dakota wanted to have an independent state and these people were sent somewhere else to live afterwards.

Genocide is over exaggerated word for this. People keep talking about 2 million people missing. Ottomans had not have any technology to exterminate these people. I mean technologies like gas chamber for mass killing. Ottomans were so poor and were not even able to manufacture their own weapons.

I would like to ask these questions How these people got killed ? And where are they ?

Accusing Turks of doing this is another issue. Because Kurds have much more population on claimed regions. I mean the Kurds that are now ally with US :)

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by Rebelgecko »

diminish wrote: post #33
Leary wrote: post #16

Interesting article, however I couldn't find primary Turkish sources that detailed the reasoning behind the deportations. Did the Turks institute the policy to remove Armenians from within Turkey or to exterminate them?

Sadly Armenian terrorist organization Tashnak has killed millions of Turks in France/Russia imperial army uniforms before their migration and Armenian terrorist organization ASALA recently killed a dozen diplomats in western cities and Armenian state and militia has killed 100s of thousands in Azerbaijan literally occupying the country. The whole genocide agenda is somewhat to hide that sad truth. Recent killings are…

Do you have any sources you can share? I found the wiki page for ARF (I think the same thing as Tashnak) and I don't see anything about killing millions of Turks. To be honest I'm a bit skeptical

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by throwawaymylove »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #22
grahamjpark wrote: post #4

Interestingly this is the second article I’ve seen today about Armenia: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/24/armenia-azerbaijan-war-...

Biden has recently declared his intention to have the US formally recognize the Armenian Genocide.

I wonder when the US will fully recognize the North American Native Genocide and build a monument in DC - hopefully in proportion to the monument in NYC.

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by sorokod »

ismaildonmez wrote: post #15
tehwebguy wrote: post #10

As someone with an Armenian dad and last name, I’ve felt some interest in this story and my country’s (US) refusal so far to acknowledge it since learning about it. It’s pretty far removed from me, and I’d probably not live here if my ancestors hadn’t fled the Turks back in the day, but it’s also very sad to see that it’s used as a political token over and over again. Obama promised that he’d be the first sitting pre…

Erdoğan thinks himself as the last Ottoman Emperor standing (c.f. The Third Reich), that’s why no way in hell he’ll accept any atrocities that Ottomans committed.

The Ottoman empire and later the state of Turkey, have consistently denied this for almost a hundred years. Erdoğan is but a link in a chain.

Re: The Armenian Genocide (1915-16): In Depth

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Post by apostacy »

lostlogin wrote: post #28
apostacy wrote: post #9

Since Facebook has agreed to implement censorship on behalf of the Turkish government[1], how long is it until discussion of the Armenian genocide is flagged as hate speech and fake news? As far as Turkey is concerned, this is fake news. And big tech has agreed to defer to Turkey. [1]: https://www.engadget.com/facebook-turkey-emails-200407588.ht...

> how long is it until discussion of the Armenian genocide is flagged as hate speech and fake news? Genocide can be talked about on Facebook, you can even organise it. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46105934 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/technology/myanmar-facebo...

I think your links prove my point: Facebook only cares about appeasing the powerful. Whether it is facilitating genocide or covering up genocide, they are the same. If it benefited Facebook, they would just as well deplatform people trying to expose a genocide in Myanmar.

And if the Turkish government tried organizing another genocide, I'm sure Facebook would platform it, and censor any opposition to it.

Why wouldn't they? They've already committed to deplatforming critics of the Erdoğan. Do you think that Facebook would take a principled stand and suddenly choose not to take orders from the Turkish government, and risk losing that market? I don't see that happening.

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