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Sex workers say 'defunding Pornhub' puts their livelihoods at risk

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Re: Sex workers say 'defunding Pornhub' puts their livelihoods at risk

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Moody doesn’t seem to care about the abuse or victims that is rampant in the industry, she just wants to get paid.

Most people wouldn't be happy to give up a large percentage of their income to help someone they didn't know. If they were then charity donations would be a lot higher than they are.

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#32

It would really be ideal if some of these sex workers could get their own platform. Pornhub seems like it was frankly unresponsive on a lot of serious concerns until they were forced to deal with them by the panic articles that went around last month And frankly it seems to me like it's still trivial to go on there and find what seems to me to be a lot of content that has dubious consent or related issues. These perf…

It would really be ideal if some of these sex workers could get their own platform.

Then they'll go after the platform infrastructure (AWS), or any other fundamental aspect. Peer pressure.

We've been warning for ages: the Cancel Everyone game the NYT and others with very loud voices are playing is a dangerous one.

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#33

Similar to the recent actions by Twitter, Google, Apple and Amazon; Visa and Mastercard are private companies and can do whatever they want. Anyone who has an issue with what Visa/MC did must also take issue with the others.

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Re: Sex workers say 'defunding Pornhub' puts their livelihoods at risk

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OnlyFans allows them to sell their content directly (not the same as it's up to them to solve the discoverability problem)

In a perfect world, you'd have something like Patreon or OnlyFans that runs like a utility out of a non profit org (such that Signal, Let's Encrypt, Wikipedia, and similar platforms operate as 501(c)(3) non profits). Removing the profit motive removes a lot of room for bad behavior on the part of the platform. Verify the creator, provide a way to get payments to them without you acting as the intermediary, charge rea…

Even something like a public benefit corporation in a state with more strict reporting requirements could even fill the same niche, without dealing with the rigamarole of obtaining/maintaining 501(c)3 status. It'd be interesting to see how the corporate charter would be written.

Re: Sex workers say 'defunding Pornhub' puts their livelihoods at risk

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It would really be ideal if some of these sex workers could get their own platform. Pornhub seems like it was frankly unresponsive on a lot of serious concerns until they were forced to deal with them by the panic articles that went around last month And frankly it seems to me like it's still trivial to go on there and find what seems to me to be a lot of content that has dubious consent or related issues. These perf…

It would really be ideal if some of these sex workers could get their own platform. Then they'll go after the platform infrastructure (AWS), or any other fundamental aspect. Peer pressure. We've been warning for ages: the Cancel Everyone game the NYT and others with very loud voices are playing is a dangerous one.

OnlyFans seems to be having no issues. I do find it funny how "this site is filled with a lot of rape and child porn" is being framed as "it's being cancelled for no reason." No, there is a reason and other sites with better policies aren't being targeted.

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Well yes, and defunding fur trade will put poachers' livelihoods at risk, and defunding Amazon will put Amazon warehouse workers' livelihoods at risk. Jobs will always come and go. New jobs will come.

Are you trying to imply this is the end of pornography? Cause that's super not going to happen, they will just move onto other sites that may or may not be more "sketchy".

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That's not the problem, as stated in the article. It's payments being cut off by card networks.

The article also says the following. Credit card giants Visa, Mastercard and Discover have blocked all payments to Pornhub, after the adult site was accused of being "infested" with child abuse and rape-related videos. So if PH solves that problem I don't see why they couldn't be back in business.

The article also says they have solved that problem, by deleting all videos not uploaded by "verified users". So I don't see why the credit card companies wouldn't unblock it relatively soon.

Re: Sex workers say 'defunding Pornhub' puts their livelihoods at risk

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Similar to the recent actions by Twitter, Google, Apple and Amazon; Visa and Mastercard are private companies and can do whatever they want. Anyone who has an issue with what Visa/MC did must also take issue with the others.

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Re: Sex workers say 'defunding Pornhub' puts their livelihoods at risk

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> browse PornHub's recommended videos in incognito mode. Go through a few pages. Click into a few categories. Don't even do weird searches, just go through what it recommends.

Yeah, I totally never did that before at all.

Re: Sex workers say 'defunding Pornhub' puts their livelihoods at risk

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Same way you ensure any other person isn’t being exploited. Society provides resources allowing the person to have the opportunity to not be leveraged into exploitation as their only option.

Yeah, not so much. North American developed countries aren't shining examples of labor protection champions. I'd refer to parts of Europe [1] and New Zealand [2] on how to protect sex workers in a more substantial way. [1] https://www.nswp.org/sites/nswp.org/files/Declaration_bookle... [2] https://www.nzpc.org.nz/The-New-Zealand-Model

Well that and the labor protections we do provide end up primarily benefiting businesses and unions over the individual workers themselves.
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