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Re: Facebook Shuts Down ‘Stop the Steal’ Group

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Post by entropea »

PopsiclePete wrote: post #24
krapp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No... this is exclusively Trump and his supporters trying desperately to de-legitimize the election by accusing Democrats of fraud despite no evidence of it - a tactic that's been in their playbook since Trump accused them of trying to "rig the election" in 2016. They've done everything from threaten to sue to showing up with armed mobs and harassing vote counters to spreading conspiracy theories about black sharpies…

Roughly 50% of voters in this election voted for Trump. His approval rating amongst his own voters is in the high 90%'s. If Trump is saying that the election is fraudulent and undermining the Democratic institutions of this country, then by definition all of his supporters are complicit. How is 50% of a nation's eligible voting population thinking that their future government is illegitimate not a societal failure? Y…

I'm pretty sure like a used 1994 Ford Taurus worth of silly not even political ads on Facebook are the only social media manipulation by Russia evidenced? I may be wrong.

These are domestic problems and much larger and longer stemming than just Russia starting all of it. Things were this bad before Trump, but Trump ripped off the facade of "decency".

Re: Facebook Shuts Down ‘Stop the Steal’ Group

#32

Post by krapp »

PopsiclePete wrote: post #24
krapp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No... this is exclusively Trump and his supporters trying desperately to de-legitimize the election by accusing Democrats of fraud despite no evidence of it - a tactic that's been in their playbook since Trump accused them of trying to "rig the election" in 2016. They've done everything from threaten to sue to showing up with armed mobs and harassing vote counters to spreading conspiracy theories about black sharpies…

Roughly 50% of voters in this election voted for Trump. His approval rating amongst his own voters is in the high 90%'s. If Trump is saying that the election is fraudulent and undermining the Democratic institutions of this country, then by definition all of his supporters are complicit. How is 50% of a nation's eligible voting population thinking that their future government is illegitimate not a societal failure? Y…

The point I'm trying to get across is that this specific mistrust isn't organic, it's driven by political propaganda.

Re: Facebook Shuts Down ‘Stop the Steal’ Group

#33

Post by AnimalMuppet »

PopsiclePete wrote: post #25
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree. I would say that even antifa is a loss of trust in the system - they don't believe that the legal and political systems will do the job of containing fascism, so they have to take it to the streets.

Do you blame them? How many cops need to be exonerated for the blatant murder of our fellow citizens before "disband the police" actually starts sounding semi-reasonable?

I am not arguing that. I am arguing that krapp's claim (that "people in general have not lost trust in the system") is false.

You think that disbanding the police sounds semi-reasonable? (I think that starting by disbanding the police union, so that they can't protect neer-do-wells in uniform is where to start, but that's a side issue.) Then you're (I presume) on the left, and you are losing trust in the system. Which is my point.

Re: Facebook Shuts Down ‘Stop the Steal’ Group

#34

Post by ViViDboarder »

disown wrote: post #26
krapp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No... this is exclusively Trump and his supporters trying desperately to de-legitimize the election by accusing Democrats of fraud despite no evidence of it - a tactic that's been in their playbook since Trump accused them of trying to "rig the election" in 2016. They've done everything from threaten to sue to showing up with armed mobs and harassing vote counters to spreading conspiracy theories about black sharpies…

"Hillary Clinton warns of Trump trying to ‘sneak or steal his way’ to a second term" https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/19/hillary-clinton-dnc... Every side accuses the other side of stealing the election. It's pretty much an american tradition. I bet in 2016, you were screaming at the top of your lungs that "Trump stole the election". > One political party has been trying to undermine the system and sow mistrust…

I’m not sure who you’ve been talking to, but I haven’t seen any “democratic operatives” claiming that the Republicans committed fraud or delegitimizing the results.

Many claimed, and still do, that the Electoral College system is unfair (it was established to give Southern slave state’s additional representation vis-à-vis the 3/5ths compromise) and unneeded.

Re: Facebook Shuts Down ‘Stop the Steal’ Group

#35

Post by krapp »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #33
PopsiclePete wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you blame them? How many cops need to be exonerated for the blatant murder of our fellow citizens before "disband the police" actually starts sounding semi-reasonable?

I am not arguing that. I am arguing that krapp's claim (that "people in general have not lost trust in the system") is false. You think that disbanding the police sounds semi-reasonable? (I think that starting by disbanding the police union, so that they can't protect neer-do-wells in uniform is where to start, but that's a side issue.) Then you're (I presume) on the left, and you are losing trust in the system. Whic…

Most people aren't in Antifa or BLM, and most people probably don't think disbanding the police entirely seems like a good idea, even if they agree that reform is necessary.

The US is approaching the highest rate of voter turnout since 1900 - during a pandemic no less - that doesn't happen if most people have lost faith in the system. If anything, a lot of people who might have, got religion over the last four years.

Re: Facebook Shuts Down ‘Stop the Steal’ Group

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Post by barumi »

disown wrote: post #28
dx87 wrote: post #10

I wonder what the percentage of people calling for violence was. The article says there were 300k group members, and FB only said that "some" were calling for violence. You can find "some" people calling for violence in any group, so I'd like to know what the difference is here (regardless of whether or not the group has legitimate complaints).

Let be real here. Facebook wanted to shut it down and then looked for excuses. Violence, hate speech, etc. They would have found whatever they were looking for. This is pretty much the standard big tech M.O. No amount of calling for "violence" will shut down pages they like. Also, doesn't this just incentivize political adversaries to join groups they don't like and make threats just to have pages shut down? Sadly, t…

> Let be real here. Facebook wanted to shut it down and then looked for excuses.

Does anyone has any problem understanding the reason why groups actively advocating for the subversion of democracy through violent means are obviously and naturally shut down in a free and democratic society?

Re: Facebook Shuts Down ‘Stop the Steal’ Group

#37

Post by legolas2412 »

krapp wrote: post #32
PopsiclePete wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roughly 50% of voters in this election voted for Trump. His approval rating amongst his own voters is in the high 90%'s. If Trump is saying that the election is fraudulent and undermining the Democratic institutions of this country, then by definition all of his supporters are complicit. How is 50% of a nation's eligible voting population thinking that their future government is illegitimate not a societal failure? Y…

The point I'm trying to get across is that this specific mistrust isn't organic, it's driven by political propaganda.

griffoa was arguing that people have lost trust in the system. Whether is it organically arosen from disagreement with the opposite side, or disinformation from political propaganda is a separate topic. It does not change the fact that america is a divided country where the rural half has lost trust in the urban half of the country.

Re: Facebook Shuts Down ‘Stop the Steal’ Group

#38

Post by mas3god »

krapp wrote: post #32
PopsiclePete wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roughly 50% of voters in this election voted for Trump. His approval rating amongst his own voters is in the high 90%'s. If Trump is saying that the election is fraudulent and undermining the Democratic institutions of this country, then by definition all of his supporters are complicit. How is 50% of a nation's eligible voting population thinking that their future government is illegitimate not a societal failure? Y…

The point I'm trying to get across is that this specific mistrust isn't organic, it's driven by political propaganda.

Its a country ruled by 2 deeply corrupt parties, this problem goes deeper than trump claiming mail in votes are evil

Re: Facebook Shuts Down ‘Stop the Steal’ Group

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Post by barumi »

ViViDboarder wrote: post #34
disown wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hillary Clinton warns of Trump trying to ‘sneak or steal his way’ to a second term" https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/19/hillary-clinton-dnc... Every side accuses the other side of stealing the election. It's pretty much an american tradition. I bet in 2016, you were screaming at the top of your lungs that "Trump stole the election". > One political party has been trying to undermine the system and sow mistrust…

I’m not sure who you’ve been talking to, but I haven’t seen any “democratic operatives” claiming that the Republicans committed fraud or delegitimizing the results. Many claimed, and still do, that the Electoral College system is unfair (it was established to give Southern slave state’s additional representation vis-à-vis the 3/5ths compromise) and unneeded.

> I'm not sure who you’ve been talking to, but I haven’t seen any “democratic operatives” claiming that the Republicans committed fraud or delegitimizing the results.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot

Re: Facebook Shuts Down ‘Stop the Steal’ Group

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Post by noch »

gentleman11 wrote: post #4

There needs to be a citizen group called ‘stop the disunity’ that tries to get people to talk to each other instead of yell at your friends who already agree with you in your social media filter bubbles

> There needs to be a citizen group called ‘stop the disunity’ that tries to get people to talk to each other

There was a serious attempt at this in https://articlesofunity.org/

It was promptly banned from twitter and its founder's account was blocked on Facebook.

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