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Re: Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primarily human attribute

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a measure of our intelligence, only our ambition and aggression. The two may not even be correlated.

So crows could build a jumbo jet, they're just lazy? It's pretty obvious that animals lack any type of intelligence even close to human ability. It's not even in the same ballpark.

Of course they could, but they can already fly. See? Intelligence.

Re: Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primarily human attribute

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans were effective in their intelligence and rule the world with it, no other animal has shown anything approaching something like that. You judge them by their results.

That's not a measure of our intelligence, only our ambition and aggression. The two may not even be correlated.

Intelligence is one of the strongest predictors for success even among humans.

Re: Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primarily human attribute

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> crows know what they know and can ponder the content of their own minds, a manifestation of higher intelligence and analytical thought long believed the sole province of humans and a few other higher mammals. I've always found the common thought that only humans and a select few of other animals are the only ones that posses higher intelligence to be incredibly arrogant of our species. Why wouldn't they have higher…

Well, that reasoning is your wording alone.

The reason scientists do not optimistically assert animals must have human-analogous intelligence is because of the difficulty required to design a test that will reveal traces of it.

Re: Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primarily human attribute

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a measure of our intelligence, only our ambition and aggression. The two may not even be correlated.

So crows could build a jumbo jet, they're just lazy? It's pretty obvious that animals lack any type of intelligence even close to human ability. It's not even in the same ballpark.

Well, humans just started to build jumbo jets in very very recent history. That’s not a very fair benchmark.

Re: Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primarily human attribute

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I’ve mentioned this previously but it’s on topic and still amazes me, so I’ll just copy & paste: I know someone who works at one of the London airports and is responsible for keeping the runway operational. One of the jobs is keeping the birds well clear, and if necessary, sadly, may resort to shooting. The crows know the score though. This acquiantance says the crows know to disappear if they see the bird clearers.…

Imagine if bird clearer's only love are crows. That would be ironic and sad...

Re: Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primarily human attribute

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a measure of our intelligence, only our ambition and aggression. The two may not even be correlated.

So crows could build a jumbo jet, they're just lazy? It's pretty obvious that animals lack any type of intelligence even close to human ability. It's not even in the same ballpark.

>So crows could build a jumbo jet, they're just lazy?

How can they physically even come close to building a jet?

It seems humans physicality has a LOT to do with our intelligence. Perhaps someone with actual knowledge on this can chime in.. but it seems to me if you have a build similar to ours, you have the opportunity to actually progress and manipulate things to a level where it might a situation where as a species you continue to evolve with more intelligence over time because you are able to actually use it.

I don't know how to say that better.. but on the other hand, if we had our same brains but had the bodies where we can hardly manipulate any tools.. don't you think that makes all the difference in the world?

Re: Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primarily human attribute

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So crows could build a jumbo jet, they're just lazy? It's pretty obvious that animals lack any type of intelligence even close to human ability. It's not even in the same ballpark.

See, there's your arrogance again. They may have no interest in doing so or anything leading up to it and desire is not a measure of intelligence.

OK, so how about the fact that they haven't figured out how to heal broken bones? Is that my arrogance again, or is it that they would just prefer to flop on the ground until nightfall and then be eaten alive by coyotes?

Re: Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primarily human attribute

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The capability attributed to crows is that they think about (analyse) their own thinking. The article arrives at that conclusion using two methods: 1. Behavioural analysis. 2. Reverse engineering neural circuitry. Is "thinking about thinking" rare, or remarkable? Is it the defining trait that elevates humans above all other animals? The article tells us that the trait isn't unique to humans, because crows have it too…

I'm a total layman in this field, so these are just unsupported thoughts.

It seems to me that a brain going meta - thinking about thinking - could be what leads to a sense of self and thus consciousness.

So, do these results imply those things about corvids? This has implications for AI, I believe.

Re: Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primarily human attribute

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> crows know what they know and can ponder the content of their own minds, a manifestation of higher intelligence and analytical thought long believed the sole province of humans and a few other higher mammals. I've always found the common thought that only humans and a select few of other animals are the only ones that posses higher intelligence to be incredibly arrogant of our species. Why wouldn't they have higher…

Humans were effective in their intelligence and rule the world with it, no other animal has shown anything approaching something like that. You judge them by their results.

Tell that to Orcas. They rule the seas.
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