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Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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I just canceled Spotify membership I had for years for now.

I don't have anything for Spotify or their fight with Apple. It makes sense.

But on the other hand I refuse to help Epic in any initiative they take or to endorse companies that sides with them. Epic is in my eyes evil company and they done a lot of bad things in area I care about. I know that few of my friends do the same right now.

It probably doesn't matter, but the only thing one can do is to vote with their wallet.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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It's a monopoly, and it's illegal.

Calling a company that has ~13% of the market share in mobile devices is quite the take. It will never hold up in court.

Nobody said the monopoly is in mobile devices. The reference was to the controlled ecosystem. That is what Epic's case is about. Their developer account was revoked when they wanted to use a different merchant processor. Apple is practically engaging in RICO activities.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a monopoly, and it's illegal.

Apple does not have a monopoly on phones. Not even smartphones.

They control almost 70% of mobile app revenue: https://swagsoft.com.sg/blog/android-vs-ios-which-platform-t....

A service like netflix, spotify or basecamp can't compete without an iOS app.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Apple clearly has competitors that have a much larger share of the market.

They have one competitor on which users are allowed to install their own market (see F-Droid.) [1] [1] https://www.f-droid.org/

F-Droid itself relies upon Android's openness to allow it to be installed.

If you don't like Apple's walled garden then use Android.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a monopoly, and it's illegal.

Calling a company that has ~13% of the market share in mobile devices is quite the take. It will never hold up in court.

That's the problem. I think people keep using the term "monopoly" maybe because that's what they are familiar with, but you are correct in pointing out that courts of law have a very specific legal interpretation of that word.

Probably one solution is to place the bet on anti-trust instead. It's still not quite right, but if you bend the current legal understanding of "trust" a little bit, you can get there. Whereas, there's no amount of bending the interpretation of "monopoly" that will make Apple fit.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling a company that has ~13% of the market share in mobile devices is quite the take. It will never hold up in court.

It's a duopoly between Android and iOS. Better? And the current lawsuits are arguing that Apple has a monopoly on payments on their own devices, not that they have a monopoly on the smartphone market. Big difference.

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Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

#37

Apple built their controlled ecosystem and set their rules. And now others are insisting that Apple should not have that control (even when they themselves are doing the same thing).

But it is impossible to bypass the store for any normal person.

Think about it, you are a normal person who wants to continue to use an application and for some reason the dev has been kicked out of the store (this often happens and the devs often have no idea why or how). You would be frustrated no?

Not to mention the mental stress of the poor devs which are subject to inhuman automated responses, neglect, and abuse by Apple/Google. Apple/Google is essentially shutting down small businesses arbitrarily and remorselessly. The only way action happens is if the dev somehow gets enough attention on sites like this that Apple is forced to act.

These tech monopolies have MORE than enough money for a customer/creator/dev service department - they just don't care, or, perhaps, maliciously use the lack of one to control their platform: "Oops sorry, you have been talking to our super-smart infallible AI, we don't know why its acting this way, but we are sure its right! You have one week to fix the issues - have a nice day!"

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

#38

"The Coalition for App Fairness", I cannot not laugh. On the stage you have: Epic - Trying to be the next Valve/Steam. Happy to rip off their customers via in-game transactions. Spotify - Who rip off artists by either failing or paying very little in royalties. Tinder - Sells sex. None of these companies have any care for the actual developer; who are the folk trying to make a living from their creations.

70% of Spotify's revenue goes to rights holders. That's not ripping off artists. Streaming royalties have been the largest segment of music rights holder revenue for several years. The record labels negotiated these deals and had all of the power. Also, all music streaming services have effectively the same deals. Spotify does not have preferential treatment. Artists can distribute their music without Spotify. Spotif…

That’s more representative of how the market has imploded.

There were 900M CDs sold in the US in 2000. This year that number will be less than 25M

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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"The Coalition for App Fairness", I cannot not laugh. On the stage you have: Epic - Trying to be the next Valve/Steam. Happy to rip off their customers via in-game transactions. Spotify - Who rip off artists by either failing or paying very little in royalties. Tinder - Sells sex. None of these companies have any care for the actual developer; who are the folk trying to make a living from their creations.

All three allow games, music, and dating to happen outside of their platforms. The Apple equivalent would be Microsoft not allowing any program being installed from outside their store or Tinder closing down all bars in a city to lower competition.

What does apple not allow outside it’s platform? How would they even control that?

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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"The Coalition for App Fairness", I cannot not laugh. On the stage you have: Epic - Trying to be the next Valve/Steam. Happy to rip off their customers via in-game transactions. Spotify - Who rip off artists by either failing or paying very little in royalties. Tinder - Sells sex. None of these companies have any care for the actual developer; who are the folk trying to make a living from their creations.

As an actual game developer I can say that I am very happy to see this happening, and I know for a fact that this is the case of a very large number of devs.
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