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Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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>> MFS2020 can simulate an aircraft that was partially damaged after colliding with an obstacle Scenarios where aircraft strike fixed objects and remain airborne are virtually unheard of. Bird strikes are one thing, but touching a cessna wing to any building is a realworld game over. Touch any pole, any power line, any bridge, anything larger than a goose and you aren't going home.

F-15s: "Hold my beer." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Negev_mid-air_collision Great photo of the aftermath here: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/9884/did-an-f-1...

Ya, but that wasn't a fixed object but another aircraft. Aircraft, even fighters, are soft and light compared to buildings and rocks.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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Oh that's too funny. On a side note: I signed up for the discounted $1 trial month of Xbox Game Pass just to try this game out. The download and installation process was ridiculously slow and causing my CPU to ramp up to 80-100° even while undervolting it. On a brand new i7 9750. Not sure what that was all about. I put the process on pause... I am looking forward to giving it a try, though. Anyone else have any diffi…

I'd check your CPUs heatsink mounting and make sure the thermal paste is applied correctly. Installing and downloading shouldn't cause your CPU to ramp up to 100C.

Hm. There's no other context in which it ramps up that high, no matter what I've thrown at it. And unfortunately, it's a new laptop so I'm hesitant to crack it open for want of invalidating the warranty just yet.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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Is it morbid of me to wonder what happens if you fly a plane into such a building in Flight Simulator? It just… sticks out so much that crashing into it seems the obvious thing to try. (Judging by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhrGEdO88kE where someone eventually succeeds in landing on this building, it looks like if you fail the screen just goes black at the point of impact, so no interesting physics simulation.)

In some versions, the leadership of the country you're flying in uses the crash to justify two long-term wars, one of which lasts a minimum of 19 years, costing trillions of dollars and countless lives and ultimately failing to achieve anything other than even more instability in the middle east.

In other words, by creating more long lasting instability in the Middle Easy they achieved their goal, hypothetically speaking in the simulation of course.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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> ultimately failing to achieve anything other than even more instability in the middle east Hate to break it to you but this was the exact desired outcome.

Much easier and cheaper ways to achieve that. Are you aware how much technology the state has at its disposal?

Not cheaper for powerful profiteering and racketeering enterprises. Arms, oil, etc.

State capture by corporate interests is inevitable.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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> ultimately failing to achieve anything other than even more instability in the middle east Hate to break it to you but this was the exact desired outcome.

What is the motivation?

Unimaginable amounts of money going to military contractors. Countries taking out World Bank loans. Oil companies, obviously. Privatizing public services to the benefit of American companies.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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In some versions, the leadership of the country you're flying in uses the crash to justify two long-term wars, one of which lasts a minimum of 19 years, costing trillions of dollars and countless lives and ultimately failing to achieve anything other than even more instability in the middle east.

> ultimately failing to achieve anything other than even more instability in the middle east Hate to break it to you but this was the exact desired outcome.

>> ultimately failing to achieve anything other than even more instability in the middle east

> Hate to break it to you but this was the exact desired outcome.

That's not actually true. It doesn't seem like it was deeply cynical and nefarious like that; it was more of an overly-simplistic moral crusade:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/books/review/to-start-a-w...:

> In “Plan of Attack,” Bob Woodward described Bush as being beset by doubt about the case for war, and suggested that Tenet’s affirmation had been “very important.” Draper disagrees. The issue wasn’t the evidence. It was the spin: “Tenet’s words were ‘important’ only because they helped remove any doubt as to whether the C.I.A. could mount a solid case.” Bush’s thinking was as clear as it was simplistic. Saddam was a monster. It would be a bad idea to leave him in power. According to Draper, Bush’s “increasingly bellicose rhetoric reflected a wartime president who was no longer tethered to anything other than his own convictions.”

> In his 2005 Inaugural Address, Bush tried to turn neoconservative ideology into official doctrine: “It is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.” It wasn’t until the shellacking that the Republicans endured in the 2006 midterm elections that Bush began to abandon his fantasies about spreading peace, love and understanding across the Middle East. He fired Rumsfeld and shunted Cheney to the side.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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I love the concept of massive buildings / structures in areas without such but I don’t think the city people would enjoy such buildings in actuality. The massive circular mine in Russia comes to mind (no pun intended).

Are you thinking of something like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostankino_Tower ?

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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> ultimately failing to achieve anything other than even more instability in the middle east Hate to break it to you but this was the exact desired outcome.

What is the motivation?

Natural resources, endless war is good for defense contractors, and it's a way to have proxy wars with other large states (Russia / China).

These incentives hold almost everywhere and not just the Middle East. That's why destabilization in Central/South America and Africa is also compelling and has been ongoing for ages.

But, the Middle East has particularly compelling geographic, social, and technological circumstances for a candidate location for endless war.

Specifically: 1. It's far from the US and closer to competition ("best defense is a strong offense") 2. Until recently the ethnic and religious make up of Middle Eastern peoples was hyper localized, making them outgroups who were easy to demonize 3. Also until recently it was not likely for media to make its way out of the Middle East where people could see just how terrible war is and how similar the people there are to people everywhere else

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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The article says it's impossibly narrow but is it really? It's only about 2.5 times taller than 432 Park Avenue in New York, but it also looks a little bit wider. A building like this would probably sway a bit more than usual at the top due to being so tall and having no other wind breakers around it, but I imagine it could be possible to build and live in safely.

It's taller (assuming just 10 feet per floor) than the Burg Khalifa. Super tall structures require a far larger base to support against winds, as you go up winds get faster and their leverage against the base increases.
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