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Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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Is it morbid of me to wonder what happens if you fly a plane into such a building in Flight Simulator? It just… sticks out so much that crashing into it seems the obvious thing to try. (Judging by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhrGEdO88kE where someone eventually succeeds in landing on this building, it looks like if you fail the screen just goes black at the point of impact, so no interesting physics simulation.)

In some versions, the leadership of the country you're flying in uses the crash to justify two long-term wars, one of which lasts a minimum of 19 years, costing trillions of dollars and countless lives and ultimately failing to achieve anything other than even more instability in the middle east.

> ultimately failing to achieve anything other than even more instability in the middle east

Hate to break it to you but this was the exact desired outcome.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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post #3

Oh that's too funny. On a side note: I signed up for the discounted $1 trial month of Xbox Game Pass just to try this game out. The download and installation process was ridiculously slow and causing my CPU to ramp up to 80-100° even while undervolting it. On a brand new i7 9750. Not sure what that was all about. I put the process on pause... I am looking forward to giving it a try, though. Anyone else have any diffi…

I'd check your CPUs heatsink mounting and make sure the thermal paste is applied correctly. Installing and downloading shouldn't cause your CPU to ramp up to 100C.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some versions, the leadership of the country you're flying in uses the crash to justify two long-term wars, one of which lasts a minimum of 19 years, costing trillions of dollars and countless lives and ultimately failing to achieve anything other than even more instability in the middle east.

> ultimately failing to achieve anything other than even more instability in the middle east Hate to break it to you but this was the exact desired outcome.

Much easier and cheaper ways to achieve that. Are you aware how much technology the state has at its disposal?

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some versions, the leadership of the country you're flying in uses the crash to justify two long-term wars, one of which lasts a minimum of 19 years, costing trillions of dollars and countless lives and ultimately failing to achieve anything other than even more instability in the middle east.

> ultimately failing to achieve anything other than even more instability in the middle east Hate to break it to you but this was the exact desired outcome.

What is the motivation?

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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post #5

Is it morbid of me to wonder what happens if you fly a plane into such a building in Flight Simulator? It just… sticks out so much that crashing into it seems the obvious thing to try. (Judging by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhrGEdO88kE where someone eventually succeeds in landing on this building, it looks like if you fail the screen just goes black at the point of impact, so no interesting physics simulation.)

Crashing into stuff is great fun and probably the first impulse of anyone booting up a flight simulation program (especially kids) -- so much so that flight simulation software was the target of a moral panic in 2001 after the September 11 attacks were conducted by crashing real jets into buildings. Some people began to think of flight sims as "terrorist training tools" and call for them to be banned. That's probably…

That's because a few of the terrorists actually used flight sim games to "train" prior to the hijackings.

It wasn't completely unfounded hysteria.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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post #5

Is it morbid of me to wonder what happens if you fly a plane into such a building in Flight Simulator? It just… sticks out so much that crashing into it seems the obvious thing to try. (Judging by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhrGEdO88kE where someone eventually succeeds in landing on this building, it looks like if you fail the screen just goes black at the point of impact, so no interesting physics simulation.)

Crashing into stuff is great fun and probably the first impulse of anyone booting up a flight simulation program (especially kids) -- so much so that flight simulation software was the target of a moral panic in 2001 after the September 11 attacks were conducted by crashing real jets into buildings. Some people began to think of flight sims as "terrorist training tools" and call for them to be banned. That's probably…

>> MFS2020 can simulate an aircraft that was partially damaged after colliding with an obstacle

Scenarios where aircraft strike fixed objects and remain airborne are virtually unheard of. Bird strikes are one thing, but touching a cessna wing to any building is a realworld game over. Touch any pole, any power line, any bridge, anything larger than a goose and you aren't going home.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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Is it morbid of me to wonder what happens if you fly a plane into such a building in Flight Simulator? It just… sticks out so much that crashing into it seems the obvious thing to try. (Judging by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhrGEdO88kE where someone eventually succeeds in landing on this building, it looks like if you fail the screen just goes black at the point of impact, so no interesting physics simulation.)

In some versions, the leadership of the country you're flying in uses the crash to justify two long-term wars, one of which lasts a minimum of 19 years, costing trillions of dollars and countless lives and ultimately failing to achieve anything other than even more instability in the middle east.

Also more instability within the country.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crashing into stuff is great fun and probably the first impulse of anyone booting up a flight simulation program (especially kids) -- so much so that flight simulation software was the target of a moral panic in 2001 after the September 11 attacks were conducted by crashing real jets into buildings. Some people began to think of flight sims as "terrorist training tools" and call for them to be banned. That's probably…

>> MFS2020 can simulate an aircraft that was partially damaged after colliding with an obstacle Scenarios where aircraft strike fixed objects and remain airborne are virtually unheard of. Bird strikes are one thing, but touching a cessna wing to any building is a realworld game over. Touch any pole, any power line, any bridge, anything larger than a goose and you aren't going home.

F-15s: "Hold my beer."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Negev_mid-air_collision

Great photo of the aftermath here: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/9884/did-an-f-1...

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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post #15

Now I'm wondering if in engineering terms such a tall, thin building could be constructed.

No one's gone quite that big, but this one's similarly tall and skinny, and ~100 stories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/432_Park_Avenue

The 57th St Tower (still being built I think) is slightly taller and even skinnier - and just as ugly. Really I think it detracts from the beauty of Central Park.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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post #15

Now I'm wondering if in engineering terms such a tall, thin building could be constructed.

No one's gone quite that big, but this one's similarly tall and skinny, and ~100 stories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/432_Park_Avenue

B1M on YouTube partially covered it (incomplete project):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOFD2hGI7Wk

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