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Re: P2 powers internal collaboration at WordPress.com, and is now free

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Lots of comments on 1,000+ people teams. What about sub 100? We are fully distributed. Lots of Slack and Zoom. Trying to create a central source of truth in Notion but that feels very static. Any smaller teams using this?

We're 70+, we created our own version of P2 (H2, react front-end) and have at about 50 instances (split by theme/project).

At this point though, I think Notion may present a better solution going forward.

Re: P2 powers internal collaboration at WordPress.com, and is now free

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post #26

Lots of comments on 1,000+ people teams. What about sub 100? We are fully distributed. Lots of Slack and Zoom. Trying to create a central source of truth in Notion but that feels very static. Any smaller teams using this?

Plug: we built Papyrs (https://papyrs.com) for this.

Its pages can be typical wiki-docs but also things like internal news posts or discussions, and is organized into subsites for different teams/projects.

Re: P2 powers internal collaboration at WordPress.com, and is now free

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post #22

I work at Automattic, and p2 is (in my mind) _the_ thing that makes our remote-only culture work. We don't really use email that much or other forms of async chat. When synchronous chat (like Slack) gets to be too in-depth, our motto is "p2 or it didn't happen." p2 has the widest visibility in the company -- anyone can search for a p2 post, or cross-post to other teams and divisions. Since many teams are spread acros…

We use discourse for this. Any type of forum-like product is very effective as a complement to email and instant messages for the reasons you describe. For effective remote I think it's indispensable to have: Instant messaging, email, forum, wiki. Looks like p2 might also serve as a sort of "company directory" thing, which we also use another product for, but I don't get much as value out of that.

In 2000 I worked at a company that used an NNTP server for an internal forum. Back then it was common for mail clients to speak NNTP, so you could flip back and forth between correspondence and discussion in the same tool, easily reply to or forward posts by email, etc. That was the smoothest and most productive application of this idea I've seen.

Re: P2 powers internal collaboration at WordPress.com, and is now free

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post #26

Lots of comments on 1,000+ people teams. What about sub 100? We are fully distributed. Lots of Slack and Zoom. Trying to create a central source of truth in Notion but that feels very static. Any smaller teams using this?

Any wiki software suffers from the problem that only a small percentage of the company uses it. It's essentially a tax on the most productive people. If someone asks you for the same thing 8x, you will write it down and share it via a wiki.

I've spend years trying to solve the problem - how do you get the average person writing more at work? What I've come up with resembles a company "journal", but helps you automate any routine communication or update (daily standup, weekly update, retros, etc).

Would love any/all feedback on the idea, here's the website (https://www.friday.app/). You can use it as an individual, team, or with the entire org.

Re: P2 powers internal collaboration at WordPress.com, and is now free

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I have known P2 since it was a theme. What i dislike is that now, WordPress has stopped development on the orignal p2 theme which could be self hosted. How much of the hosted p2 is different than the theme ? No idea. https://wordpress.org/themes/p2/

This is what i believe goes against the open principles evangelized by WordPress.

Re: P2 powers internal collaboration at WordPress.com, and is now free

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There is a live demo here https://p2customers.p2.blog/ I don't get it. Looks like a regular news wall with endless scrolling and comments expanded. Except anybody can post an announcement on top? and the previous ones disappear under the constant flow?

We DON'T post announcements there, rearely links. The core way we use P2s is to write a thought-out internal memos. Ideally, ever-green ones, that require time to chew on and asynchronous feedback.

My P2 posts are quite often 1000 chars+, I sometimes even write footnotes. (I work for Automattic)

Re: P2 powers internal collaboration at WordPress.com, and is now free

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The previous version was a theme and is still available - https://wordpress.org/themes/p2/ This version is also a theme and will be released for self hosting in future too.

Wait so there was the old P2 and now there is the new P2 but at one point there was O2 which was supposed to be the next version of P2 https://geto2.com/ ?

Yep. Naming things is hard.

First there was actually the Prologue theme, then P2 was the second version (~2010?). Then O2 because “communication is oxygen for an organization”. Now back to P2 because that is the name that has stuck and everyone uses.

We (Automattic) use it as both a noun and a verb at this point. P2 or it didn’t happen.

Re: P2 powers internal collaboration at WordPress.com, and is now free

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I used to work at WordPress.com (Automattic) after they acquired our startup Simplenote. P2 was great. Now I'm at one of the big tech companies that is suddenly all-remote. I miss P2. It gives you a place where ideas can "stick" much better than with async chat, email, or wikis. At the top-level (per-team or per-project) P2s feel like much more than just another wiki aggregation page. You actually want to visit them…

thank you for keeping SimpleNote free! I use it almost every day. it's so... simple!

Re: P2 powers internal collaboration at WordPress.com, and is now free

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Anyone remember forums? I have been floating the idea in my org that forums are so much better than slack/discord, and we have regressed in our communication abilities.

Topics. Sub forums. View unread, link to posts, quoting, attachments. Voting. Reply by email. So many great things came from forums.

Re: P2 powers internal collaboration at WordPress.com, and is now free

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I work at Automattic, and p2 is (in my mind) _the_ thing that makes our remote-only culture work. We don't really use email that much or other forms of async chat. When synchronous chat (like Slack) gets to be too in-depth, our motto is "p2 or it didn't happen." p2 has the widest visibility in the company -- anyone can search for a p2 post, or cross-post to other teams and divisions. Since many teams are spread acros…

I’m so jealous.

We have Stack Enterprise, which is permanent and searchable but admits only straightforward Q&A, no discussion.

We have Google Groups, but many employees expect them to be for announcements only, and will reply angrily to threads that are attracting long discussions. They don’t “get” mailing list culture, don’t configure their GMail filters appropriately, and feel that this is the sender’s problem.

Async decision making, such as it is, happens in Google Docs comment threads on proposals. Our auditors actually require us to click the resolve button on those threads once the proposal is accepted, so the discussion is hard to find if you come across the document later.

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