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Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by lbeltrame »

starkd wrote: post #22
irq11 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you see the parts of the article where they say that the most severe, “consequential damage” is predominantly found in the elderly and most severely ill? You’re implying that people who have mild cases (>99% of all cases; remember: over 40% cases are so mild that they’re considered “asymptomatic”, and for every one case we detect, 10-20 others never even bother to be tested! ) have some kind of neurological damag…

The headline was indeed more inflammatory than the facts of the article. It seems like the media wants people to panic.

I can't speak for the article here, but at least some local media in my country wants to generate clicks and views, so the more horrifying the headline (but also the article contents), the better.

See the recent matter on antibody decline: few if any got it right (although it can mean a waning immune response it is not enough to tell if it is happening).

Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by beezle »

irq11 wrote: post #20
gumby wrote: post #13

People seem to have a naïve view of what “cured” means: someone “gets sick”, is treated, and then returns to the status quo ante . Thus there is little concern about catching the disease (or any disease) when you are not in an “at risk” group. But hospital discharge just means the treatment you get stops being worth the time/money. Ideally you finish convalescing at home. But any consequential damage isn’t ignored, a…

Did you see the parts of the article where they say that the most severe, “consequential damage” is predominantly found in the elderly and most severely ill? You’re implying that people who have mild cases (>99% of all cases; remember: over 40% cases are so mild that they’re considered “asymptomatic”, and for every one case we detect, 10-20 others never even bother to be tested! ) have some kind of neurological damag…

The problem is that there have been no large scale studies on those who were released from the hospital nor on those who were deemed 'not sick enough' to be hospitalized in the first place.

Hopefully TX, FL, AZ are used as a basis for some study as so many of those in the hospital now are young (ie, under 40).

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Post by titzer »

gnusty_gnurc wrote: post #19
irq11 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason you “get so concerned” is because you are spreading fear, and you systematically attempt to censor anyone who points out that your fear isn’t supported by evidence.

COVID-19 fear entered moral conviction territory long ago. It's useless to argue the numbers or even suggest the possibility of evidence that tempers the doomsday fear. It's like arguing against the religious.

> It's useless to argue the numbers

With very few exceptions, those "arguing the numbers" present a systematically biased and intentionally deceptive view that this virus is not dangerous and systematically hamper the collective action necessary to slow its spread. Instead of merely presenting a "balanced view", it's a rather irresponsible level of misinformation by...let's be frank...rather uninformed armchair epidemiologists who often have zero background in medicine, zero background in infectious diseases, and hardly any science background at all.

The virus is killing and maiming people worldwide. It's highly infectious. Basic shit like wearing masks is now political.

I don't mean to unload on you, because you are making a meta point, but seriously, most people arguing "the numbers" are completely full of shit. Listen to experts on infectious diseases, and shun internet crackheads, no matter what research papers they think they understand, and don't.

You should take this seriously because people are actually dying.

Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by shiftpgdn »

pgo wrote: post #30

My family got corona positive last month, around the same time my brother started having some neurological issues. The doctors after seeing the MRI did not detect any issues. The same was confirmed by other radiologists and multiple other MRI scans over the month. Yet he faces these issues: nausea,headache,confusion,weakness,ataxia (unsteady walk) sensory changes, including numbness or tingling,trouble with vision (o…

Did your brother have any underlying health issues prior to contracting covid-19? Incl family history of any of these disorders, obesity, diabetes, etc?

Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by pvaldes »

lbeltrame wrote: post #9
Dumblydorr wrote: post #4

This virus is uncommonly indiscriminate in how many organ systems it damages. This may be due to its ability to deoxygenate a patient, systemic auto-immune response, systemic inflammation or vasculitis in organs, stroke like events with blood clots in multiple events, etc. What a beast of a virus!

Other coronaviruses can infect the nervous system. In fact, there were papers out in 2018 describing neural infections by "human coronavirus". Cytokine storms and their associated effects (like clotting ,etc.) are also present with other viral infections, like with the original Spanish Flu H1N1 strain (during the infamous "second wave"). "Regular" pneumonia can severely weaken you for months or a year, even if you ha…

The problems could be related with the fact that pangolins have an unique and strange immune system. Reduced in comparison with most other mammals (but I'm speculating...)

Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by matwood »

HeroOfAges wrote: post #29
deelowe wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does your statement change if I personally know several people who are ill and a few who have died? I have first hand experience. Do you? Yes, I am afraid, but that fear is backed by empirical evidence and my study of the science of this disease, not the media. You should be afraid as well.

I personally only know of one person that has tested positive for Covid-19 and she recovered fully after about two weeks. Can you tell us more about the people you know that died due to Covid-19? General demographic info, like sex, age, that type of thing.

I know 2 people with older relatives who died. My wife's grandmother caught it in a nursing home and remained asymptomatic the best we could tell (she has dementia). Other people around her in the nursing did die from the virus.

I know of multiple people in their 20s-30s-40s who have said it's the worst sickness they have ever felt. Some others who were really sick for a day or 2 and now seem fine.

I'm not a doomsday person, but it's something I'd like to avoid rolling the dice on (and I do have fear of older relatives catching it). Then there are the possible long term health effects still unknown. Unfortunately for whatever reason people have to be scared into taking the simple, basic precautions.

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Post by titzer »

irq11 wrote: post #17
deelowe wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a reason we get so concerned when there is evidence of CNS infection. It's not as simple as "loss of smell."

The reason you “get so concerned” is because you are spreading fear, and you systematically attempt to censor anyone who points out that your fear isn’t supported by evidence.

It's worthwhile pointing out that being "censored" and being a moron feel subjectively pretty similar at first blush, especially without some introspection. With no introspection, the odds are stacked heavily to one side on that.

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Post by libertine »

pgo wrote: post #30

My family got corona positive last month, around the same time my brother started having some neurological issues. The doctors after seeing the MRI did not detect any issues. The same was confirmed by other radiologists and multiple other MRI scans over the month. Yet he faces these issues: nausea,headache,confusion,weakness,ataxia (unsteady walk) sensory changes, including numbness or tingling,trouble with vision (o…

I'm no doctor, but during this period I've experienced anxiety, and some of those symptoms match physical symptoms of anxiety. Nausea, headache, difficulty breathing, tight chest and neck (hell i've noticed even the fucking tongue was tight being pressed against the teeth and I didn't even realize that), tingling of hands/feet/arms, and during a spike you get confusion and you make poor decisions, heart bpm goes to 120 while sitting/laying down.

So, just to mention to not discard that.

In fact a lot of people are experiencing several degrees of anxiety during this period.

None of us experienced this level of stress and anxiety before, the glimpse of uncertainty and the lack of control fucks our mind.

One of the triggers I had was allergy (clogged nose), and other was when I saw news of people acting irresponsibly after me doing my part and giving up a lot of things to try to contain this (I'm not from the US, I'm from the EU).

Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by deelowe »

HeroOfAges wrote: post #29
deelowe wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does your statement change if I personally know several people who are ill and a few who have died? I have first hand experience. Do you? Yes, I am afraid, but that fear is backed by empirical evidence and my study of the science of this disease, not the media. You should be afraid as well.

I personally only know of one person that has tested positive for Covid-19 and she recovered fully after about two weeks. Can you tell us more about the people you know that died due to Covid-19? General demographic info, like sex, age, that type of thing.

I cannot share details due to HIPAA, other than one was not in an at risk group. The other was. Additionally, some individuals who have gotten ill have "recovered" as in they aren't going to the doctor/hospital, but still cannot walk long distances or think clearly months later.

The thing about the disease is that it attacks some people much much more severely than others. We do not know why yet, but I'm positive that we'll eventually find out there are biological reasons (blood type, genetics, Vit D levels, etc).

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Post by AmVess »

pgo wrote: post #30

My family got corona positive last month, around the same time my brother started having some neurological issues. The doctors after seeing the MRI did not detect any issues. The same was confirmed by other radiologists and multiple other MRI scans over the month. Yet he faces these issues: nausea,headache,confusion,weakness,ataxia (unsteady walk) sensory changes, including numbness or tingling,trouble with vision (o…

I tested positive this week. My symptoms are flash headaches and nausea along with persistent ear ringing. No other flu symptoms are present.

I've never had headaches like this before, both in feeling and duration.

I've been careful since the end of February. Always wearing a mask, social distancing, hand washing with soap and disinfectant wipes. I've had limited exposure to other people except delivery people, my GF, my mom. I've only been to stores 3 times since the end of February.

I knew it was just a matter of time when I saw the massive increase in numbers of infected in this county. People almost have completely stopped wearing masks or social distancing.

Luckily, the worst is already over for me. I'm getting better by the day, and it was a short illness too.

I will still use best practices after my self quarantine is over.

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