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Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by ausbah »

I am all for letting people do what they like with their bodies, but if people are trying to makes ends meet and they believe the only way of doing so is via selling pictures of their bodies - I think society has another massive moral failing on its hands

and this probably an unrefined opinion, but I feel like firing a worker for running a NSFW OnlyFans account (or similar) would, if not should, run agrounds for sexual harassment or unlawful termination. or at the very least be should be called out for being rooted in unwarranted social standards and expectations

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

econcon wrote: post #20

As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company. It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?

Sex work is work all the same. From a normative standpoint, we ought to support sex workers directly, rather than the studios and production companies that are often exploitative.

OnlyFans seems to get rid of the middlemen in the porn / cam girl industry, I think that's a massive benefit for sex workers today.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by [deleted] »

jseliger wrote: post #16
marpstar wrote: post #14

My opinion: Porn is the new drug. Our daughters are the dealers and our sons are the users. Sex addiction fueled by free internet porn has ruined countless lives. At least OnlyFans is behind a paywall, keeping it out of view of children.

Sex addiction fueled by free internet porn has ruined countless lives. I would like to see a citation on this. Moral panics around sexuality are at least a couple centuries old, and technologies that are said to have contributed to or created them include the printing press, radio, the bicycle, the car, TV, movies, magazines, and now the Internet. For many of the earlier technologies, Gay Talese's book Thy Neighbor's…

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Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

marpstar wrote: post #14

My opinion: Porn is the new drug. Our daughters are the dealers and our sons are the users. Sex addiction fueled by free internet porn has ruined countless lives. At least OnlyFans is behind a paywall, keeping it out of view of children.

Watching porn is healthy and normal. Like any form of entertainment it can be abused, but there isn't a moral panic about binge watching Netflix or video gaming. Like anything, it's best in moderation.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

#35

Post by rewoi »

ausbah wrote: post #31

I am all for letting people do what they like with their bodies, but if people are trying to makes ends meet and they believe the only way of doing so is via selling pictures of their bodies - I think society has another massive moral failing on its hands and this probably an unrefined opinion, but I feel like firing a worker for running a NSFW OnlyFans account (or similar) would, if not should, run agrounds for sexu…

I would say that selling nudes is pretty nice work, compared to farming, fast food or roofing.

If anything real pornstars and prostitutes are leaving their professions, because they make more money as streamers :-))

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by ausbah »

_1qd4 wrote: post #24
econcon wrote: post #20

As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company. It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?

The message this sends to girls is that if you’re pretty, this is the easiest way to make a lot of money. It damages the work of people who have spent decades trying to get women to be valued for things other than their bodies.

I think the message of telling a person what is and isn't acceptable behavior based only on their gender / sex does nothing but reinforce harmful stereotypes and expectations

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by asguy »

vzidex wrote: post #29
asguy wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we’re thinking of the same thing (related to ‘coal’) thats looking like it’s a 4chan troll site.

Yes, we're thinking of the same website. I've been around on 4chan long enough to know that "troll" most often is equivalent to what the site really feels, or at least some of the people on there. The "troll" or "satire" label is only there to try to evoke plausible deniability - as in the case of "for legal purposes my call for violence against this person is a joke". i.e. the sorts of people - in general - who brow…

The way I read it, 4chan is like a concentrated version of what it was like to be a teenager at the edge of society. You stir the pot and feed off the energy that people respond with.

If you live in a Christian conservative community, you leave pamphlets full of gay porn outside church. In a progressive community, you make racist websites about interracial dating.

They aren’t pro gay porn or pro racism, they’re pro getting a reaction out of people, that they find hilarious. We encourage them with our outrage.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by gaze »

_1qd4 wrote: post #24
econcon wrote: post #20

As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company. It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?

The message this sends to girls is that if you’re pretty, this is the easiest way to make a lot of money. It damages the work of people who have spent decades trying to get women to be valued for things other than their bodies.

This says more about the relationship between value and money than it does about what is or isn't valuable.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by gotoeleven »

econcon wrote: post #20

As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company. It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?

I think the new world of normalized prostitution is going to be great and healthy.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

ausbah wrote: post #31

I am all for letting people do what they like with their bodies, but if people are trying to makes ends meet and they believe the only way of doing so is via selling pictures of their bodies - I think society has another massive moral failing on its hands and this probably an unrefined opinion, but I feel like firing a worker for running a NSFW OnlyFans account (or similar) would, if not should, run agrounds for sexu…

You cannot in one breath say you're "all for" something then immediately caveat it. The "moral failing" of society is the inability to provide for those who are hungry, under-housed, sick, not sex work.

People clearly cannot make ends meet due to a global pandemic, massive unemployment, all within a system with increasingly restricted upward mobility.

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