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U.S. Senators Advocate H-1B Freeze for 60 Days or Longer

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Good. H-1B is an exploitative system that forces people into something resembling modern slavery, at the cost of American jobs and business opportunities.

People who are against this IMO, are mostly concerned with not appearing “racist” or xenophobic in any way. Virtue signal.

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If you are an employer looking for cheap slave like labor this is bad news. Americans want to high a salary these days. I need employees who are always afraid of being deported so I can insure they don’t leave for a better job.

Wait are you saying you are hiring "cheap slave like labor" and now you won't be able to?

Indeed. I run a IT sweat shop. We only hire h1b1’s. They won’t be out looking for better offers like Americans. If we fire them they get deported. so they do what we tell them without question. Even if it’s illegal. We designed our interview process from the ground up to favor foreign candidates.

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#33

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Then change the rules to make it more difficult for the body shops maybe? Doesn't seem too hard

> Doesn't seem too hard Apparently it is, as it has not been done.

Politically hard most likely, instead of technically hard.

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#34

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Some, but not all, H1B immigrants are highly skilled. Some are fodder for body shops, some are used to avoid having to pay market rate. This behavior has been documented in great detail. I do not believe it unreasonable to take measures to encourage hiring of citizens over importing workers when official unemployment is near 15%, and unofficially, closer to 20%. Your typical tech company is likely to be sophisticated…

Then change the rules to make it more difficult for the body shops maybe? Doesn't seem too hard

Any proposal? They change the rules almost yearly to try to patch loopholes. What do you suggest?

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Some, but not all, H1B immigrants are highly skilled. Some are fodder for body shops, some are used to avoid having to pay market rate. This behavior has been documented in great detail. I do not believe it unreasonable to take measures to encourage hiring of citizens over importing workers when official unemployment is near 15%, and unofficially, closer to 20%. Your typical tech company is likely to be sophisticated…

Then change the rules to make it more difficult for the body shops maybe? Doesn't seem too hard

But that doesn't play as well in the court of public opinion.

Much "better" for the GOP to do this and claim, "Look, we're trying to keep the brown people out!" And it's good for the Democrats too, "Look at those racists! Vote for us instead!" Neither side has much to gain from doing the right thing.

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#36

Of course, doing so will do very little to nothing for American workers. Companies who want the top talent will go where the top talent lives, and this may just speed up the process (one example could be a simple adjustment to hire more folks in Vancouver, for example). Somehow, some people in the US forget that yesterday's immigrant is today's citizen.

Meh. America can tax companies leaving to make it profitable to stay

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Estimated to be 400,000 mostly in IT.

Should clarify that this is IT as in low level positions in cheap outsourcing firms. Not to confuse with tech companies. Edit: You can see visas per company here with average salary https://h1bdata.info/topcompanies.php You can make an opinion for yourself but suffice to say that the bulk of the jobs are in cheap outsourcing firms, not in tech companies. (cf. google 15k VS tata consulting 73k)

Lots of tech companies have highly skilled H1-Bs.

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To much IT jobs for sure

What do you mean? I know, open borders would be better. But H1-B is still better than no way to come to work.

H1B1 was supposed to be the genius Visa. Not the slave Visa

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#40
I think this is quite good in a strange way. Nobody was happy about H1-B. Tech companies were complaining that quotas were too low. Skilled workers complained that this is a ploy to keep costs down, especially in academia. I've once heard an American PhD say 'I am not afraid of competing with very smart Chinese or Indian scientists. But they are making me compete with 10 mediocre Chinese or Indian PhDs and nobody can win this competition.' So, why not blow the entire H1-B system up and maybe in 3-5 years, once the crisis is over, something better emerges.
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