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A hacker's mom broke into a prison and the warden's computer

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Re: A hacker's mom broke into a prison and the warden's computer

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AFAIK this talk aas given at DerbyCon in 2018 and there might be video.

Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upa6IEwnTTo Here's another one from yesterday - RSA Conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqOGuXcLdOA

Also you're right it's from 2017 not 2018.

Re: A hacker's mom broke into a prison and the warden's computer

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There is such a demand for phones in prisons that there are companies that manufacturer "prison phones" that easily fit into a prison wallet.

Where do you find these?

Search for "beat the boss phone".

Reference: https://hackaday.com/2017/05/11/tearing-down-the-boss-phone/

(it is actually "B.O.S.S.")

Re: A hacker's mom broke into a prison and the warden's computer

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Is it wrong that I find it a terrible thing that people aren't allowed computers with internet or cellphones in prison? How do we expect people to join back to society when they can't use literally the number one most important thing? Maybe give them phones with no cameras and monitoring of use, but just nothing seems very inhumane.

In the US sometimes the evidence isn't clear that facilitating "join back to society" is an actual goal (it's often a stated goal). It often doesn't seem to be a policy priority.

It most definitely isn't a priority: If it were, the US would look at other countries with lower recidivism rates and spend a bit more on things like mental health care, halfway houses, job placement, and so on.

Re: A hacker's mom broke into a prison and the warden's computer

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I understand wanting to surveil prisoners but denying them access to the outside world completely is wrong and a waste of everyone’s time. Maybe require only open source software and no crypto except for authentication but confiscating phones is stupid and lazy.

> I understand wanting to surveil prisoners but denying them access to the outside world completely is wrong and a waste of everyone’s time. Counter-argument: seeing the world pass you by is a good way to become suicidal, and the state (at least here in the US) has an obligation to protect those in their custody. Receiving broadcasts e.g. radio signals etc. is fairly low risk (exceptions include coded one-way transmi…

So then the realization that the world passed them by hits them shortly after release, potentially escalating into an existential crisis, and ensuing recidivism.

Re: A hacker's mom broke into a prison and the warden's computer

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In the same vein: It’s not young thugs that come in to medical centers trying to score painkillers; it’s middle-aged suburban moms. The former know where to buy on the street. It’s the latter that think of trying to lie to their doc. But in practice we tend to be more suspicious of the former.

Young adults (age 18 to 25) are the worst offenders of prescription abuse, the largest increase in opioid abuse has been in rural America, and men are 140% as likely to die from opioid abuse. So you have classified the greatest threat as female, suburban, and adult, but the statistics seem to indicate male, rural, and young adult. You are in danger of being pen tested.

Your parent was talking about people who try to convince their doctor to prescribe them painkillers, while you're talking about all people who abuse opioids.

Re: A hacker's mom broke into a prison and the warden's computer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand wanting to surveil prisoners but denying them access to the outside world completely is wrong and a waste of everyone’s time. Maybe require only open source software and no crypto except for authentication but confiscating phones is stupid and lazy.

> I understand wanting to surveil prisoners but denying them access to the outside world completely is wrong and a waste of everyone’s time. Counter-argument: seeing the world pass you by is a good way to become suicidal, and the state (at least here in the US) has an obligation to protect those in their custody. Receiving broadcasts e.g. radio signals etc. is fairly low risk (exceptions include coded one-way transmi…

Do you have any source whatsoever for that claim? Personally, I don't believe for a minute that additional freedom for prisoners would increase suicide, but I'm no expert.

Re: A hacker's mom broke into a prison and the warden's computer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it wrong that I find it a terrible thing that people aren't allowed computers with internet or cellphones in prison? How do we expect people to join back to society when they can't use literally the number one most important thing? Maybe give them phones with no cameras and monitoring of use, but just nothing seems very inhumane.

There are prisons charging per minute for calls and e-readers. I really doubt they would be humane enough to allow that

I think this is a understatement... Every US prison/jail/detention center has a "pay-to-play" program administered by profit driven private companies who (IMU) overcharge for these basic services. $5.99 a minute is outrageous! I feel like these companies are allowed to prey on the most vulnerable people and no one cares because there not what society considers "good people".

Re: A hacker's mom broke into a prison and the warden's computer

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In the US sometimes the evidence isn't clear that facilitating "join back to society" is an actual goal (it's often a stated goal). It often doesn't seem to be a policy priority.

It most definitely isn't a priority: If it were, the US would look at other countries with lower recidivism rates and spend a bit more on things like mental health care, halfway houses, job placement, and so on.

I'm hedging a bit because I don't have a good sense of how things are country wide, but there are some clear cases where it is not.

Re: A hacker's mom broke into a prison and the warden's computer

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This also demonstrates an uncomfortable situation. There are certain types of bias in favor of women that help out with these kinds of situations. His mom likely was benefitting from a positive bias that she was harmless and fulfilled the presumption about what an inspector may look like... Something like this "Women are wonderful effect"[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_are_wonderful_effect

This is absolutely a thing. I worked at a fortune small-cap where the IT department was absolutely insidious. They would undermine anyone who they didn't like, or who opposed their nonsense. I wrote a lot of backend stuff, and they would spend far more effort and money denying us servers and resources than it would have taken to simply get those things for us. They'd tell us developers we couldn't use the OS's our pr…

Wait, what was your point here? That women actually are wonderful?

Re: A hacker's mom broke into a prison and the warden's computer

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This also demonstrates an uncomfortable situation. There are certain types of bias in favor of women that help out with these kinds of situations. His mom likely was benefitting from a positive bias that she was harmless and fulfilled the presumption about what an inspector may look like... Something like this "Women are wonderful effect"[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_are_wonderful_effect

This is absolutely a thing. I worked at a fortune small-cap where the IT department was absolutely insidious. They would undermine anyone who they didn't like, or who opposed their nonsense. I wrote a lot of backend stuff, and they would spend far more effort and money denying us servers and resources than it would have taken to simply get those things for us. They'd tell us developers we couldn't use the OS's our pr…

Those social skills black magic, I should have been drinking more in high school instead of programming.
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