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A Design for Death

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Re: A Design for Death

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I'm currently broke and so not in the mood to explain it again like the entire world is five year's old. That never appears to do any good whatsoever anyway. Suffice it to say I have six years of college and I've been divorced more than a decade -- and celibate for medical reasons the entire time, so not looking for some man to "take care of," which isn't really my cup of tea anyway -- and the degree to which my gend…

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend.

I'm not offended. I'm just exhausted and feeling like trying to engage your above comment in good faith is a huge uphill battle that I'm extremely tired of trying to fight.

I never wanted to fight it to begin with. But it's essentially been unavoidable due to the detail of being a woman trying to support myself "in a man's world" as it were.

It's one of the things that makes me suicidal, which is also not something useful to talk about. No one ever reads that and concludes "It must be an impossibly bad problem that it makes her feel that way." No one ever reads that and goes "If I had been dealing with what she's been dealing with for more than a decade, I'd be suicidally depressed too. This really, really needs to change!"

Nope. It just gets interpreted as "Whiny bitch! No wonder no one wants to hire her! Also, shut up about your problems and quit making everything into Gender Wars!"

It doesn't make any difference how carefully I frame it, someone is pretty much guaranteed to say something amazingly shitty and dismissive.

Under other circumstances, I might be happy to talk with you about reasons why I'm skeptical that women really voluntarily choose and prefer to "care" about others. But I'm just not up for that discussion tonight and I also didn't want to not reply at all.

Have a good evening.

Re: A Design for Death

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The secular problem with this: How do we make sure that people aren't forced into this?

A few years ago I read a newspaper article about an insurer in Oregon who told a customer they weren't going to pay for some needed medical care, and pointed out that OR had (just adopted) a legal suicide option.

I sometimes think about this incident, and wonder if the employee at the insurance company who brought this up got a raise.

Re: A Design for Death

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Nitschke's other (previous, drug perfusion) death machine was on display in MONA in Hobart. its an otherwise pedestrian installation of a suitcase sized box, and a bag on a stand, next to a chaise longue. I found it very confronting. Normalized but somehow not normal. He's a polarising figure. Saying something rational, but causing immense community disquiet when people come close to voting. (I believe he has the rig…

Dr. Nitschke is from my home town right here. He was so close to getting voluntary euthanasia laws enacted in the Northern Territory, but the government backed out in the end. I remember watching him demonstrate V1 of his 'machine in a suitcase' that people could use to end their lives. It was controlled by a PC, and the interface that the patient would use to click the confirmation dialogs to begin the last things t…

Really old versions of Microsoft Access could use Clippy via VBA:

  Set Clippy = Application.Assistant.NewBalloon
  With Clippy
    .Heading = "Human Deletion"
    .Text = "It looks like you're trying to kill yourself"
    .Icon = msoIconAlertWarning
    .Button = msoButtonSetOK
    .Show
  End With

Re: A Design for Death

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I think it would be great if people were required to answer a questionnaire with even a psych evaluation in person for wanting to end life. I don’t think any person should ever be refused their request to die. I just think the information is valuable to obtain for going forward by designing society to be more favorable for people to want to live. Currently a lot of people with tremendous psychological pain are being…

> People with depression Depression can usually be treated and results in less will to kill oneself. There is a good case to make that when you suffer from depression you are not yourself anymore.

By some estimates, a third of people who have depression have it in a treatment-resistant form: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4518696/ How much treatment would you require these patients to endure before granting them freedom?

Re: A Design for Death

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> The front-runner in the one-way journey to Switzerland is a New Zealander whom Nitschke has known for years. She’s not terminally ill, but is becoming increasingly disabled by macular degeneration – something she finds intolerable after a lifetime of reading for pleasure. I am not so sure society is ready to embrace commercial euthanasia for non-fatal, non-painful diseases. Should someone with age related deafness…

I don't want to go so far as saying that alone would make me consider suicide, but I was effectively deaf for a little over a week once in college with a sinus infection—mine, which I never even had one of until college so was unacquainted with at the time, get up to some weird shit with fair frequency, unfortunately.

Even so, I could still kind-of hear, just not well enough to understand people most of the time, or enjoy music whatsoever (zero enjoyment possible, just a muted mess), or tell how loudly I was talking (I ended up being way too quiet, mostly, I gather). I felt significantly cut off from everything and everyone around me.

It was pretty fucking bad, and I'm not even unusually into music or anything like that.

I'd have said being blind was 100% for sure worse than being deaf before that. Now? Hell, I don't know anymore. Blind's probably still worse, but deaf was awful. Either plus any one other significant problem and I bet I'd be giving... options some serious thought.

Re: A Design for Death

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The ends don’t justify the means. Sometimes to live and suffer a fate worse than death is better to die.

Also I hate this idea the they’re making death slick.

And the way the article is romanticizing a man who will assist you in, for many; a coward’s way out.

This worries me greatly; have we so quickly forgotten the past?

Re: A Design for Death

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> People with depression Depression can usually be treated and results in less will to kill oneself. There is a good case to make that when you suffer from depression you are not yourself anymore.

By some estimates, a third of people who have depression have it in a treatment-resistant form: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4518696/ How much treatment would you require these patients to endure before granting them freedom?

You’re sense of “freedom” is kind of fucked.

Don’t load questions like that, it’s painfully annoying.

Anyway death is not freedom; what good is freedom when you aren’t around to enjoy it? Foolish notion

Re: A Design for Death

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Sorry, I didn't mean to offend.

I'm not offended. I'm just exhausted and feeling like trying to engage your above comment in good faith is a huge uphill battle that I'm extremely tired of trying to fight. I never wanted to fight it to begin with. But it's essentially been unavoidable due to the detail of being a woman trying to support myself "in a man's world" as it were. It's one of the things that makes me suicidal, which is also not something u…

As Schopenhauer mentions, a good way to feel better about your situation is to consider those who are less fortunate.

I don’t see what your gender has to do with it. In South Africa I belong to a class of “previously disadvantaged” people. I choose to ignore this distinction and the advantages conferred on those “previously advantaged.” I even refuse to accept any advantages from the government arising as a result of my skin colour.

That difference might exist and sure it might make my life harder, but in my view life is about action not results and as long as my shoulder is to the wheel, one glance at the abject poverty around me is enough to keep me pushing.

I’m sorry to hear about your situation and wish you luck.

Re: A Design for Death

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By some estimates, a third of people who have depression have it in a treatment-resistant form: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4518696/ How much treatment would you require these patients to endure before granting them freedom?

You’re sense of “freedom” is kind of fucked. Don’t load questions like that, it’s painfully annoying. Anyway death is not freedom; what good is freedom when you aren’t around to enjoy it? Foolish notion

I salute anyone with the conviction to plan and take their own life. What other sovereignty does another human have save over their own life?

Also your snark reveals some inherent metaphysical assumptions. They may or may not be wrong, but why assume we all hold them?

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