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U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Re: U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read up on mean reversion and the fact that he won a 3 million fewer votes. If he even finishes* his term that is..

Yes, and he had a 2% chance of winning his first term. Are you going to trust the polls again? I'm not.

538, admittedly at the end, gave him a 29% chance of victory.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fivethirtyeight-gav...

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post #7

One thing that I really like about the Trump administration is that finally the WH has decided to act against the systemic threat posed by China. Can someone who is well versed in politics shed some light on if this is a trump specific phenonemon or had there been a sea change and the dems are now on board too ?

Obama was manufacturing the pivot to Asia. The TTP would have given a lot of power to corporations to combat China. This presents its own set of problems though. Clinton was adamant that her grandchildren would not be speaking Chinese. China has been acknowledged as a threat since 2008 really, by everyone really, just, sometimes people need a very visual and visceral demonstration of action (no matter how less-optima…

From what I understand many corporate victims of Chinese industrial espionage since 2008 specifically declined to pursue prosecution for fear of what it would do to their existing or potential for business with Chinese entities and individuals.[0]

And this was despite a Justice Department that was chomping at the bit to prosecute Chinese industrial espionage. I bring this up because I think this shows why leaving weighty matters involving the security and future of your country up to corporations is a poor idea, especially when corporations are motivated solely by profit as corporatists gleefully remind us at all times.

[0]https://www.npr.org/2019/04/12/711779130/as-china-hacked-u-s...

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#33
post #13

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> Easily 4 more years. What planet do you live on?

Myself, the planet where a president with a stronger stock market and unemployment than when he entered ~always gets re-elected.

Maybe, you know, look at the stock market to see if that's true, instead of just believing Trump's tweets about it...

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#34
post #20

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Censor: Highly targeted and specific, usually along the lines of communication. Like Xi and Winnie the Pooh. The US doesn't censor(?) Blacklist: Broader, usually applied to products and companies. China blacklisted Facebook. The US blacklisted Huawei.

> The US doesn't censor(?) Any government will try to censor at some point. The difference is that Western countries have independent judicial branches with the power to stop the government from censoring.

This strikes me as a pretty meaningless statement. The judicial branch is part of the government, if they stop the government from censoring (or doing anything else) then the government doesn't censor (or do anything else).

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#35
post #10

The US claims that this blacklisting is unrelated to trade negotiations, but one has to wonder -- why did we wait until now? And if this is just a way to create leverage during trade negotiations, how would the administration gracefully reverse these blacklisting actions in exchange for something unrelated without it being patently clear that this was never about human rights?

>without it being patently clear that this was never about human rights?

Have you been paying attention the last 3 or so years?

Re: U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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post #10

The US claims that this blacklisting is unrelated to trade negotiations, but one has to wonder -- why did we wait until now? And if this is just a way to create leverage during trade negotiations, how would the administration gracefully reverse these blacklisting actions in exchange for something unrelated without it being patently clear that this was never about human rights?

Trump himself confirmed this after he blacklisted ZTE right before the talks last year.

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#38
post #7

One thing that I really like about the Trump administration is that finally the WH has decided to act against the systemic threat posed by China. Can someone who is well versed in politics shed some light on if this is a trump specific phenonemon or had there been a sea change and the dems are now on board too ?

Obama was manufacturing the pivot to Asia. The TTP would have given a lot of power to corporations to combat China. This presents its own set of problems though. Clinton was adamant that her grandchildren would not be speaking Chinese. China has been acknowledged as a threat since 2008 really, by everyone really, just, sometimes people need a very visual and visceral demonstration of action (no matter how less-optima…

Also in my opinion TPP critically united other Asian nations. I think Trump admins' abandoning of traditional allies/structures like TPP and ceding soft/hard power across the board for the sake of 'America First' is going to have lasting damage and is thus not putting America First in the long term...

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post #6

Legitimate question: at what point does censorship become something more benign such as blacklist or sanctions? If we do it?

Censor: Highly targeted and specific, usually along the lines of communication. Like Xi and Winnie the Pooh. The US doesn't censor(?) Blacklist: Broader, usually applied to products and companies. China blacklisted Facebook. The US blacklisted Huawei.

Every state censors things in some way, he difference is what is censored and how much impact it has obviously.

Censorship can also describe private actions such as Twitter/Facebook refusing some ideas, and is that case is vastly vastly present in every country.

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post #6

Legitimate question: at what point does censorship become something more benign such as blacklist or sanctions? If we do it?

In addition to what the other person said about broad vs specific, content neutrality.

If you punch anyone who talks loudly, that's problematic for other reasons but not censorship per se. If you punch anyone who talks about Tienanmen square, you're censoring them.

Pornography would be an example of something the US censors in certain contexts. We aren't banning your billboard because it's a billboard, we are banning it because the image on the billboard is people having sex.

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